[cma-l] ONE FOR THE WEEKEND

[Ian Hickling]

Alex - I know I'm being simplistic here - but your last sentence seems to sum up the entire situation for me:
".....  applicants should have been able to argue their case before a Copyright Tribunal, but of course none could have taken the financial risk involved, and so none had an effective legal remedy other than to accept being shafted......"
Why are we all just lying down and having these so-called "Royalty Societies" walk all over us?
Why is everyone content to accept that "It's Copyright"?
Where please is it precisely written in any legislation that these two commercial organisations are entitled to demand what they like and claim that it's a "Licence"?


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Sent: 16 September 2016 15:59
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] ONE FOR THE WEEKEND


I entirely agree with you about the alternative delivery means.



Ofcom permitting, I could quadruple my potential FM audience by adding another FM relay, and there would be no change to the PPL/PRS minimum charges, yet if add a DAB service that is serving only the same population as the FM service, or add an Internet simulcast to reach a few dozen extra souls, they pile extra charges on the minimum fee.



And PPL's attitude to charging for the DAB trials was truly shameful - I know it was the last straw for some who would otherwise have been keen to take part in trials. A clear case where in a just world the applicants should have been able to argue their case before a Copyright Tribunal, but of course none could have taken the financial risk involved, and so none had an effective legal remedy other than to accept being shafted.



Alex

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Sent: 16 September 2016 16:06
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Subject: [cma-l] ONE FOR THE WEEKEND



One final one for the weekend



All this baloney about FM / DAB / Internet / Yoghurt Carton and Piece of String      it's a nonsense. Just admit that it's a legalised money making racket.



If there are 1000 people and all of them are listening to Canalside Radio ... they will be listening via FM, or if at home / out of the area and stationary via the Internet OR on an app / phone or if we had it by DAB    etc etc            it is still one person listening plus another 999. The key word here is   OR not AND !



It is the same person, they are just listening via a different means. Why does anyone (even Commercial Radio) have to pay for all of these things separately ?   I simply don't get it ?    well I do ... it's just Daylight robbery. It's not 3000 folk listening, it's still 1000



It should be in our case a charge .... Fixed fee, and this covers the lot whether we are on one, both or all three or four .............. I have never ever ever ever listened to the Radio via FM, Internet and DAB all at the same time.



What was all that cock and bull malarkey regarding the trials ..... they were even wanting to charge OTT on the trials ... it ended up where about 20 chucked the towel in before they even started .........................end result   =   everyone lost out. Some didn't do the tirial and PRS/PPL lost revenue

Surely a low charge was the easiest solution.



I think something was sorted, but of course we had to go through the 10 round boxing match to get there.



The mind boggles ?



Have a good weekend everyone



Nick


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