[cma-l] Climate Radio programmes

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Mon Feb 2 12:29:55 GMT 2015 

I'm just wondering whether I am getting correspondence through on an adhoc
basis ? .. I appear to missing some of the trail . or at least it seems that
way. Is someone saying that this ''civil disobedience discussion was
'broadcast' ???    certainly not by us and as I have already explained on a
number of occasions it has once again all been taken out of context.

 

Firstly, before anyone comes diving in ''No !  I am not backtracking nor
U-Turning !''   I am merely saying that some folk appear to have read it
wrong.

 

For clarification :- What I am trying to point out is this .....we have gone
uphill and down dale about 26 times now over the past 8 - 10 years .. We all
know the arguments for and against and in my opinion (yes my opinion) our
arguments have been extremely valid, the counter argument extremely weak
which focuses on 'protecting' commercialism for the sake of protecting it
????  or that's how I see it. There is one more counter argument when we try
to counter that (if that makes sense)   and that is that the restrictions
HAVE WORKED in protecting the commercial Stations as none have fallen over.
ONCE AGAIN as usual everyone seems to have completely missed the point. The
point ought to be that what we do is LIFT the restrictions and then see what
the result is. I don't believe it will make any difference to the commercial
Stations but it will help us to grab that tiny little bit extra which allows
us to do a lot more and cuts out a ruck of bureaucratic nonsense.

 

We have run with the 'argument' against for 10 years . let's try the other
and if ( yes if ) there are a few problems (genuine problems)  then we peg
it back a bit and re-introduce something (a mini restriction for example)
because at least then we will ALL know the facts, both us and the
commercials. For the last ten years we have been operating on a myth. We
have only looked at this from one end of the drainpipe..

 

So back to the point .... The point being    re:- my civil disobedience
statement    (which clearly came out all wrong and possibly wasn't the
description I was looking for)     is, I am saying we have gone through all
the arguments and there has been a small move . the reason it is SMALL is
because it has taken ten years to get it ....SO      we have a choice, carry
on waffling about it, or do something with a bit more clout. I don't mind
either way, I will run with the majority. I am just trying to create debate
and discussion and more importantly stand up for our sector.

 

Please read back through the e-mail trails for perfectly logical
explanations and reasons why certain things are said and don't read to
directly into them.

 

Thank you all

 

By the way ... who has broadcast this                  ???         certainly
not I ??

 

One final thing in all of this that everyone seems to forget (even Ed et al)
and it is the MOST IMPORTANT factor of all .........   If the general public
prefer to [[ listen to a load of rookies getting in a pickle on-air, school
kids reading poems, wealth and hell being discussions about why hippopotamus
toe nail sandwiches are good for you, Doctor Smith doing an hour long talk
programme on how to care for your haemorrhoids (Johnny Giles) .. the local
WI on how to bake the perfect cup cake etc etc ]]      ---       than listen
to spoon fed pop,  presenters who all sound the same and what the latest
lingerie range is from Victoria Beckham,       then one can plonk as many
restrictions on as they wish, they all mean nothing, because if your
listenership has gone Bon Voyage as a commercial Station, the cause is lost
anyway.

 

I would like it putting on record again that I do not want any commercial
Station to fall over and that includes silk just down the road from us, I
worked there for 9 years and had many a happy hour, but likewise I do not
want to see any of our guys going belly up either ....sadly, in this
statement there are commercials who have wanted to see the back of us, and
that is a fact. They are the ones who have created the ill-feeling     not
us !

 

The whole thing is a nonsense   

 

Nick

 

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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
Sent: 31 January 2015 14:28
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: [cma-l] Climate Radio programmes

 

Quote:
".........the campaign to kick corporate influence out of our democracy and
the need for civil disobedience......"
Sheer lunacy to attempt to broadcast that sort of thing!

 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 23:40:19 +0000
From: eddie at kcr.fm
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Climate Radio programmes available!

I haven't discussed this yet with anyone else at the station, so this is
purely my personal opinion.

My initial concern when the original email came out were the words (amongst
others):-
> the campaign to kick corporate

      influence out of our democracy and the need for civil

            disobedience;

However balanced the programme(s) may or may not be, I personally would not
want to go near anything that looked at the need for civil disobedience.

Yes, women would probably have had to wait far longer to get the vote etc
without the sufragettes, but given the "joys" that we had in Scotland last
year with excesses & sheer nastiness between the "Yes" & "No" referendum
camps, trolls being investigated by the police, people being threatened
verbally & apparently physically etc., etc., I just would not want to get
involved with a "debate" like that.

One hot head and you're in trouble (remember, the NofTW decided to name and
shame (supposed) paedophiles. A drunk bunch in Plymouth (I think??) became a
lynch mob which went to try and literally string up a (female)
paediatrician.

Yes, you could (should!) balance it with the down sides of civil
disobedience but you only need one paper to (mis)report (part of) your
broadcast and away you go (How many people actually heard Ross/Brand &
Andrew Sachs? Very few. How many complained? Tens of thousands.)

If you interview Greenpeace, FoE etc., you must include, or at least give
the right of reply to, Shell, BP etc even if you personally think that they
are the devil incarnate. Without actually fighting their corner for them,
they might just want to point out that they are also working on renewables
and that without fossil fuels the Industrial Revolution wouldn't have
happened and we would still have a peasant farming economy based on horse &
cart.......?? Indeed, we might not have Community Radio??!!

I think that a Community Station getting involved with the way that that
email read is just asking for trouble. We have tackled some fairly
contentious issues up here but have always been extremely careful on
balance.....

Light blue touch paper...........? Not me on this one given what we know so
far.

Regards,

Eddie Stuart


On 30/01/15 19:05, David Duffy wrote:
> Nick, as you know, I respect

      your enthusiasm but /all/ broadcasters,



      > not just community radio, are required to adhere to the



      > Communications Act 2003 and The Representation of the People

      Act.



      > These are enshrined in statute for our benefit and to ensure

      that



      > broadcasters exercise due impartiality. Otherwise, we could

      have



      > stations that support one political party over another using

      that as



      > a means to promote a highly partisan message. I give you Fox

      News'



      > 'Fair and Balanced'.  Anyone who has watched Fox News

      understands the



      > irony in that positioning statement.



      > 



      > All I would recommend to community broadcasters is that they

      revisit



      > Section 6 of the Broadcasting Code



      >

 <http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/broadcast/831190/section6.pdf>
<http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/broadcast/831190/section6.pdf>



      > and in particular 6.12 where the onus is clearly on the

      broadcaster -



      > '/Where a candidate is taking part in a programme on any

      matter,



      > after the election has been called, s/he must not be given

      the



      > opportunity to make constituency points, or electoral area

      points



      > about the constituency or electoral area in which s/he is

      standing,



      > when no other candidates will be given a similar

      opportunity/.'



      > 



      > It has been mentioned previously that Ofcom is a reactive

      rather than



      > proactive disciplinarian.  If there is one time during your

      5-year



      > licence that an unhappy listener is likely to complain to

      Ofcom it's



      > during the run up to an election.  People get very worked up

      over



      > this kind of stuff!



      > 



      > David



      > 



      > /David Duffy is a Senior Partner with //- providing

      professional



      > consultancy and services to commercial and community

      broadcasters



      > worldwide./



      > 



      > M: 07817 990760 T: @theradiopeople



      >  <http://www.twitter.com/theradiopeople>
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      > facebook.com/theradiopeople



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      > linkedin.com/in/davidgduffy

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      > W: theradiopeople.co.uk

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