[cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
Eden FM Radio
admin at edenfm.co.uk
Mon Mar 20 16:15:11 GMT 2017
Hi Martin
The news is not sponsored (that's the important part) and many commercials stations run just the same way.
-Nigel-
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From: Martin Steers
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
Nigel,
I have concerns about the way you do your news.. as you have the national advert before the local news.. surely thats still "in" the news bulletin.
10.3 No commercial reference, or material that implies a commercial arrangement, is permitted in or around news bulletins or news desk presentations.
On 20 March 2017 at 13:17, admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
We do similar, on weekdays anyway.
The sequence using Radio News Hub which we find works well for us is:
News In ID
National News - 1 min
National advert - 30 seconds
Local news read 60-90 seconds
Weather sponsor ID
Local weather (or national weather outside daytime)
Station ID out in to music
The beauty of RadioNewsHub for us, is that it comes via Dropbox about five minutes to the hour. We have an automated system that updates Myriad. For automated hours this means we have updated copy. For the live hours, if the presenter doesn't hit the exact top of the hour (ala Sky) it doesn't matter.
The sport, showbiz and business 30 second also auto-update to Myriad, so ready for the presenter or again, appear for automated hours.
FWIW
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From: Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff)
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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
Indeed. We do our own local news so 1min of national news is more than sufficient for us!
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Nick
That is not accurate.
The top of the hour news is one minute, followed by a 30 second advert. If required, a station can pay extra for the advert to be removed.
The sport, business and showbiz and one minute and advert free. It also means that stations can seek a sponsor for those three elements, providing income opportinities.
-Nigel-
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----- Original Message -----
From: Canalside's The Thread
To: 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
Yes but 1 Minute of it is an advert, you get half a minute news. We have used these guys before (they’re OK) yes you do get footie and sport and show bizzzz …….. but this is looking at the wider picture …….. providing something for ourselves that we have collective ownership of. OK, it might cost another £50 quid or even £100 quid …….. but hey ???? and we look after our CMA and give them some funding.
Nick
From: Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) [mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org]
Sent: 19 March 2017 13:00
To: office at thethread.org.uk; The Community Media Association Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
But we pay Radio News Hub £9.99/month for hourly national news bulletins along with news, sport, business and showbiz updates so it seems what you're suggesting is already available and cheaper than you suggested?
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 7:00 PM Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk> wrote:
I go back to my original suggestion ……….. I think it’s another one of my pool of suggestions that either get laughed at or ignored (but alas) I feel I am the one speaking the sense (but that’s all down to opinions I suppose) just perhaps one day (we can live in hope) someone might grasp the nettle, wake up and smell the Coffee and take the Bull by the Horns.
We provide ourselves with a National news service which comes from a Hub ….. that could be Sheffield or it could be The Eye or Somer Valley or Bay or even Canalside wherever and/or whoever feels they can deliver the best and we choose. Everyobody pays a subscription £200 quid a year or £250 quid a year which is still cheaper than other news services …. We run a three minute bulletin on the hour from say 6am till 10pm. I fully accept that not everyone would take it up as some minority Stations have different news ….. but I reckon around 200 maybe ?? that would bring in about £45,000 odd grand ……… we could have a double shift swapping News team 2 x £14,000 grand and the rest goes in the Pot for the CMA.
I’ll suggest it again in 3 Years time no doubt ……..in the meantime I’ll tootle off and go and p e e in the wind again
Regards
Nick H Dumpty keep smiling kids 😊 onwards and upwards
From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Berry
Sent: 18 March 2017 11:08
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
A few things on this. This is not a huge change in terms of who is making the news, and I can’t see IRN turning into Fox news overnight. For one thing the rules around bias and impartiality will apply, whilst they would not impact on SRN/IRN if there were to be an issue, they are contractually required to supply a compliant service to their clients (ie us). I seem to recall that when this came round last time it was suggested that Sky news could be placed in an independent arms-length trust to ensure that there was cross contamination from the newspaper business. This may well come round again. Of course, as IRN is effectively owned by the commercial radio companies, although News Corp own around 4% via their ownership of Wireless Group. So, in effect the owners could move the licence to whoever they want when it comes up for renewal.
Best wishes
Richard
From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
Sent: 18 March 2017 08:01
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
Ofcom's predilection appears to be whether the move will affect plurality of news sources.
The blatantly obvious answer would appear to be that it will.
Ian Hickling
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>
Sent: 17 March 2017 20:30:33
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
It's also not true that all stations are either BBC or Sky. Global do their own news, Jazz FM does it's own on breakfast, a bunch use Radio News Hub etc.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 5:22 PM Clive Glover <clive.glover at lineone.net> wrote:
Bob
Very good point!
I think it is not quite so clear cut though. Strictly we are using IRN which has been contracted out to Sky News so editorial policy should still be dictated by IRN (although to be fair Sky News is pretty well balanced - as much as ITN for example).
However if it was a case of Fox News taking over that would definitely be an issue!
We should probably all take the opportunity to comment to OFCOM about this so they may add in a condition relating to the independence of national/local radio news services.
Clive Glover
On 17 Mar 2017, at 16:07, Bob Tyler wrote:
The recent announcement regarding the proposed take over of Sky by Fox, I believe has some implications for radio in the UK.
Should this go ahead the news on UK radio would come from just two sources; The BBC and the Murdoch owned SKY News (radio).
Ofcom has today published a guidance note setting out the process and timetable for preparing our report on the public interest considerations set out by the Secretary of State. Ofcom has also published an invitation to comment and invites written submissions to be sent to Publicinteresttest2017 at ofcom.org.uk by 30 March 2017.
The regulator has also invited comments invited comments under its fit and proper duty.
Under s.3(3) of each of the Broadcasting Act 1990 and the Broadcasting Act 1996, Ofcom has an ongoing duty to be satisfied that the holders of broadcast licences are fit and proper to be licensed. This means that we can assess a licensee at any time, on our own initiative, as well as being able to respond to concerns raised by third parties. We have powers to require from licensees any information that we consider appropriate to conduct that assessment.
If you wish to submit relevant evidence to us in relation to Ofcom’s fit and proper assessment, please do so by 30 March 2017 using this email address: fitandproper at ofcom.org.uk
Please take a look.
Bob
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