[cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News

Mon Mar 20 16:13:56 GMT 2017

Hiya,

I appreciate there is a big difference between sponsors and spot adverts, I
was just raising caution. I have personally never heard a commercial
station (or any station) run A news bulletin and described by yourself. But
it could be a practice thats employed by other stations.

On 20 March 2017 at 16:15, Eden FM Radio <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Martin
>
> The news is not sponsored (that's the important part) and many commercials
> stations run just the same way.
>
> -Nigel-
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Martin Steers <martin at martinsteers.co.uk>
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
> <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 2:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>
> Nigel,
>
> I have concerns about the way you do your news.. as you have the national
> advert before the local news.. surely thats still "in" the news bulletin.
>
> *10.3 No commercial reference, or material that implies a commercial
> arrangement, is permitted in or around news bulletins or news desk
> presentations.*
>
> On 20 March 2017 at 13:17, admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> We do similar, on weekdays anyway.
>>
>> The sequence using Radio News Hub which we find works well for us is:
>>
>> News In ID
>> National News - 1 min
>> National advert - 30 seconds
>> Local news read 60-90 seconds
>> Weather sponsor ID
>> Local weather (or national weather outside daytime)
>> Station ID out in to music
>>
>> The beauty of RadioNewsHub for us, is that it comes via Dropbox about
>> five minutes to the hour. We have an automated system that updates Myriad.
>> For automated hours this means we have updated copy. For the live hours, if
>> the presenter doesn't hit the exact top of the hour (ala Sky) it doesn't
>> matter.
>>
>> The sport, showbiz and business 30 second also auto-update to Myriad, so
>> ready for the presenter or again, appear for automated hours.
>>
>> FWIW
>>
>> -Nigel-
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>
>> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
>> <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 12:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>
>> Indeed. We do our own local news so 1min of national news is more than
>> sufficient for us!
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Nick
>>>
>>> That is not accurate.
>>>
>>> The top of the hour news is one minute, followed by a 30 second advert.
>>> If required, a station can pay extra for the advert to be removed.
>>>
>>> The sport, business and showbiz and one minute and advert free. It also
>>> means that stations can seek a sponsor for those three elements, providing
>>> income opportinities.
>>>
>>> -Nigel-
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk>
>>> *To:* 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'
>>> <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 9:47 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>>
>>> Yes but 1 Minute of it is an advert, you get half a minute news. We have
>>> used these guys before (they’re OK)    yes you do get footie and sport and
>>> show bizzzz …….. but this is looking at the wider picture …….. providing
>>> something for ourselves that we have collective ownership of. OK, it might
>>> cost another £50 quid or even £100 quid ……..        but hey
>>> ????                 and we look after our CMA and give them some funding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) [mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocar
>>> diff.org]
>>> *Sent:* 19 March 2017 13:00
>>> *To:* office at thethread.org.uk; The Community Media Association
>>> Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But we pay Radio News Hub £9.99/month for hourly national news bulletins
>>> along with news, sport, business and showbiz updates so it seems what
>>> you're suggesting is already available and cheaper than you suggested?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 7:00 PM Canalside's The Thread <
>>> office at thethread.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> I go back to my original suggestion ……….. I think it’s another one of my
>>> pool of suggestions that either get laughed at or ignored (but alas) I feel
>>> I am the one speaking the sense (but that’s all down to opinions I suppose)
>>> just perhaps one day (we can live in hope)    someone might grasp the
>>> nettle, wake up and smell the Coffee and take the Bull by the Horns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We provide ourselves with a National news service which comes from a Hub
>>> ….. that could be Sheffield or it could be The Eye or Somer Valley or Bay
>>> or even Canalside wherever and/or    whoever feels they can deliver the
>>> best and we choose. Everyobody pays a subscription £200 quid a year or £250
>>> quid a year which is still cheaper than other news services …. We run a
>>> three minute bulletin on the hour  from say 6am till 10pm. I fully accept
>>> that not everyone would take it up as some minority Stations have different
>>> news ….. but I reckon around 200 maybe ??          that would bring in
>>> about £45,000 odd grand ……… we could have a double shift swapping News
>>> team    2 x £14,000 grand and the rest goes in the Pot for the CMA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll suggest it again in 3 Years time no doubt ……..in the meantime I’ll
>>> tootle off and go and p e e in the wind again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick H Dumpty          keep smiling kids   😊     onwards and upwards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
>>> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Richard Berry
>>> *Sent:* 18 March 2017 11:08
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>>> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A few things on this. This is not a huge change in terms of who is
>>> making the news, and I can’t see IRN turning into Fox news overnight. For
>>> one thing the rules around bias and impartiality will apply, whilst they
>>> would not impact on SRN/IRN if there were to be an issue, they are
>>> contractually required to supply a compliant service to their clients (ie
>>> us). I seem to recall that when this came round last time it was suggested
>>> that Sky news could be placed in an independent arms-length trust to ensure
>>> that there was cross contamination from the newspaper business. This may
>>> well come round again. Of course, as IRN is effectively owned by the
>>> commercial radio companies, although News Corp own around 4% via their
>>> ownership of Wireless Group. So, in effect the owners could move the
>>> licence to whoever they want when it comes up for renewal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [
>>> mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
>>> <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Ian Hickling
>>> *Sent:* 18 March 2017 08:01
>>> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ofcom's predilection appears to be whether the move will affect
>>> plurality of news sources.
>>>
>>> The blatantly obvious answer would appear to be that it will.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian Hickling
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>>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <
>>> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Rhys Phillips
>>> (Radio Cardiff) <rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>
>>> *Sent:* 17 March 2017 20:30:33
>>> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's also not true that all stations are either BBC or Sky. Global do
>>> their own news, Jazz FM does it's own on breakfast, a bunch use Radio News
>>> Hub etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 5:22 PM Clive Glover <clive.glover at lineone.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very good point!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it is not quite so clear cut though. Strictly we are using IRN
>>> which has been contracted out to Sky News so editorial policy should still
>>> be dictated by IRN (although to be fair Sky News is pretty well balanced -
>>> as much as ITN for example).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However if it was a case of Fox News taking over that would definitely
>>> be an issue!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We should probably all take the opportunity to comment to OFCOM about
>>> this so they may add in a condition relating to the independence of
>>> national/local radio news services.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clive Glover
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Mar 2017, at 16:07, Bob Tyler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The recent announcement regarding the proposed take over of Sky by Fox,
>>>  I believe has some implications for radio in the UK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Should this go ahead the news on UK radio would come from just two
>>> sources; The BBC and the Murdoch owned SKY News (radio).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ofcom has today published a guidance note
>>> <http://ofcom.createsend1.com/t/i-l-uiikhrt-ptyutuhh-h/> setting out
>>> the process and timetable for preparing our report on the public interest
>>> considerations set out by the Secretary of State. Ofcom has also published
>>> an invitation to comment
>>> <http://ofcom.createsend1.com/t/i-l-uiikhrt-ptyutuhh-k/> and invites
>>> written submissions to be sent to Publicinteresttest2017 at ofcom.org.u
>>> <http://mailto:Publicinteresttest2017@ofcom.org.u/>k  by *30 March 2017*
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The regulator has also invited comments invited comments under its fit
>>> and proper duty.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Under s.3(3) of each of the Broadcasting Act 1990 and the Broadcasting
>>> Act 1996, Ofcom has an ongoing duty to be satisfied that the holders of
>>> broadcast licences are fit and proper to be licensed. This means that we
>>> can assess a licensee at any time, on our own initiative, as well as being
>>> able to respond to concerns raised by third parties.  We have powers to
>>> require from licensees any information that we consider appropriate to
>>> conduct that assessment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you wish to submit relevant evidence to us in relation to Ofcom’s fit
>>> and proper assessment, please do so by *30 March 2017* using this email
>>> address: fitandproper at ofcom.org.uk
>>> <http://mailto:fitandproper@ofcom.org.uk/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please take a look.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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