[cma-l] cma-l Digest, Vol 94, Issue 25

Mon Feb 20 15:08:53 GMT 2017

Miles

You have said exactly the same as we all said on the Facebook Community
Radio group several times.

Hopefully that's enough now as it's got boring.

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On 20 February 2017 at 08:45, Associated Broadcast Consultants <
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> Good advice from Miles!   Also, unless you are lucky enough to have a wav
> file library, use a lossless editor otherwise you will lose quality if you
> use a standard editor like Audition or Audacity. There are several
> available, I use mp3DirectCut.  This one has a batch mode so it's good for
> top and tailing silence off your entire library.
>
> Glyn
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> On 20 February 2017 at 07:46, Miles Shrimpton <miles at funky.sx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rhys
>>
>> We are a station playing dance and urban - we have a strictly no swearing
>> policy even out of hours late at night - it seems such a 'grey' area still.
>> Our grime shows are radio edited and also run a warning message at the
>> start regarding offensive content - just incase we missed a word in editing
>> a 2 hour show!
>>
>> If in doubt cut it out - until of course we know for sure what the rules
>> are :)
>>
>> Regards
>> Miles
>> Funky SX 103.7FM
>>
>>
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>> >   1. Re:  Attn: Urban stations.... language?
>> >      (Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff))
>> >   2. Re:  Attn: Urban stations.... language? (David Sharp)
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 16:32:27 +0000
>> > From: "Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff)" <rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>
>> > To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
>> >    <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?
>> > Message-ID:
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>> >
>> > No we don't know "the answer". My question wasn't "what is allowed by
>> > Ofcom?". My question was "what do other urban stations do?".
>> >
>> > We, as an urban music station want to make a decision on this (we've
>> > allowed bad language late at night up until now) and if we are going to
>> > change it, we want to know what other similar stations are doing to
>> help us
>> > benchmark where we sit.
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 4:17 PM Neil Munday <neilm at susyradio.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> There you go you know the answer!
>> >> But with the code of offensive words and sayings having just been
>> revised
>> >> and most teenagers ( children) being up to the small hours when is a
>> good
>> >> time to put this type of music in the playlist?
>> >>
>> >> Neil
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:58, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>> >> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That is just factually incorrect Neil. Ofcom guidance clearly states:
>> >>
>> >> "Ofcom recognises that music is a fundamental component of radio
>> >> programming. In addition, we recognise that there is a tradition of
>> certain
>> >> genres of music including potentially offensive lyrics in songs. In
>> line
>> >> with the broadcaster?s right to freedom of expression and the
>> audience?s
>> >> right to receive information and ideas, it is important that
>> broadcasters
>> >> have the editorial freedom to broadcast potentially offensive content,
>> >> provided it complies with the Code."
>> >>
>> >> The only thing the code says is that it shouldn't go out at times when
>> >> children are likely to be listening.
>> >>
>> >> Therefore it's down to the station to decide if they want it to be
>> part of
>> >> their sound / is it what their audience want to hear.
>> >>
>> >> Hence my question to other urban stations who are likely to have a
>> similar
>> >> audience to us.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:32 PM Neil Munday <neilm at susyradio.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's simple there's the Ofcom code for FM/AM/DAB broadcasters. There
>> is no
>> >> watershed on radio (at the moment) therefore the answer is No you can't
>> >> play any. But you as a broadcaster and or a presenter should already
>> know
>> >> that that has been key to broadcasting in the U.K as far back as I can
>> >> remember.
>> >>
>> >> Neil
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:21, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>> >> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I'm interested in hearing what policies urban music stations put in
>> place
>> >> for bad language in songs.
>> >>
>> >> E.g. for hip hop music, over half the genre includes offensive language
>> >> and if you're an urban station with specialist (late night) hip hop
>> shows,
>> >> do you allow this music to be played? Or do you insist on only clean
>> stuff
>> >> going out?
>> >>
>> >> Rhys
>> >>
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>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 17:04:26 +0000
>> > From: David Sharp <dave.sharp at academyfmfolkestone.com>
>> > To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
>> >    <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?
>> > Message-ID:
>> >    <ffe018418227459191f17acdd6fdaeca at FOLK-SVR-EXC01.FOLKESTONE.
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>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > Over the years we have hosted a number of shows with this type of
>> content including urban music, metal, hip-hop, and house music containing
>> offensive vocal samples. We have an added complication that we are based in
>> a school, and therefore are arguably more likely to have young people
>> listening.... and also teenage listeners who want to hear some of the more
>> edgy music.
>> >
>> > Broadly speaking, our approach is:
>> >
>> > We have a presenter handbook that all presenters read and sign, giving
>> guidance on what is possible and what's not. One important thing I try to
>> get them to understand though, is that they should always check songs and
>> always ask me for guidance.
>> >
>> > I recommend you have a policy and stick to it, even if you have to be
>> harsh. I have unfortunately had to dismiss volunteers for not checking
>> songs and broadcasting some unsuitable songs. This sends out a strong
>> message that we take the issue seriously.
>> >
>> > No bad language at all before 9pm.
>> >
>> > Shows after 9pm that contain bad language include language-warning
>> messages twice an hour. Regarding the nature of the language.... I don't
>> mind a s**t or two before 10pm. It's only after 11pm that I'd be OK with
>> stronger language, and even then there would be language-warnings, and I
>> would have to trust the presenter to communicate with me.
>> >
>> > I am sure some have slipped though the net - I can't listen 24/7. But
>> if you have a process in place, and made the presenter sign the Handbook,
>> then I assume Ofcom is going to treat any complaint more leniantly. I would
>> be interested to hear of anyone with actual experience of dealing with
>> Ofcom regarding this.
>> >
>> > It's not just about swearing. There are hip-hop songs out there with no
>> swear words, but still discuss blowing people away with automatic weapons,
>> and 'hoes' (not the gardening type). Presenters need to know this is also
>> potentially offensive.
>> >
>> > All presenters are briefed that if one 'slips through the net' then
>> they apologise immediately. This is then followed by a discussion where I
>> explain that it should not be a net, but a bag ;-)
>> >
>> > The question we always get to is 'what is offensive and what is not'.
>> This can only be decided by the management of an individual station,
>> knowing their Target Audience, show times, how easily offended the
>> listeners are, and procedure for language-warnings and perhaps a list of
>> 'banned' words. This is best illustrated by Radio 3, which has some of the
>> most prudish listeners in the day yet gets away with broadcasting some
>> properly filthy stuff occasinoally in the evenings, all appropriately
>> flagged.
>> >
>> > I think it should be applauded that Community stations broadcast
>> challenging shows. I believe the BBC has a published list of (researched)
>> relative offence given by specific words - I know it's the BBC and they are
>> governed in a different way, but it makes interesting reading....I can't
>> find the link ATM but perhaps someone else has it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dave
>> > --
>> > Dave Sharp
>> > Station Manager
>> > 105.9 Academy FM Folkestone
>> > Mobile: 07811 407635
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>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <
>> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Neil Munday <
>> neilm at susyradio.com>
>> > Sent: 19 February 2017 16:00
>> > To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?
>> >
>> > There you go you know the answer!
>> > But with the code of offensive words and sayings having just been
>> revised and most teenagers ( children) being up to the small hours when is
>> a good time to put this type of music in the playlist?
>> >
>> > Neil
>> > On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:58, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org<mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>>
>> wrote:
>> > That is just factually incorrect Neil. Ofcom guidance clearly states:
>> >
>> > "Ofcom recognises that music is a fundamental component of radio
>> programming. In addition, we recognise that there is a tradition of certain
>> genres of music including potentially offensive lyrics in songs. In line
>> with the broadcaster's right to freedom of expression and the audience's
>> right to receive information and ideas, it is important that broadcasters
>> have the editorial freedom to broadcast potentially offensive content,
>> provided it complies with the Code."
>> >
>> > The only thing the code says is that it shouldn't go out at times when
>> children are likely to be listening.
>> >
>> > Therefore it's down to the station to decide if they want it to be part
>> of their sound / is it what their audience want to hear.
>> >
>> > Hence my question to other urban stations who are likely to have a
>> similar audience to us.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:32 PM Neil Munday <neilm at susyradio.com
>> <mailto:neilm at susyradio.com>> wrote:
>> > It's simple there's the Ofcom code for FM/AM/DAB broadcasters. There is
>> no watershed on radio (at the moment) therefore the answer is No you can't
>> play any. But you as a broadcaster and or a presenter should already know
>> that that has been key to broadcasting in the U.K as far back as I can
>> remember.
>> >
>> > Neil
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:21, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org<mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I'm interested in hearing what policies urban music stations put in
>> place for bad language in songs.
>> >
>> > E.g. for hip hop music, over half the genre includes offensive language
>> and if you're an urban station with specialist (late night) hip hop shows,
>> do you allow this music to be played? Or do you insist on only clean stuff
>> going out?
>> >
>> > Rhys
>> > _______________________________________________
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