[cma-l] cma-l Digest, Vol 94, Issue 25

Tue Feb 21 08:49:43 GMT 2017

Catie,

That simply isn't true! WHat Miles has said is that he wasn't aware the
rules allowed it!

And the reason his response is useful is because he's replying from the
right sort of station that we wanted to know the answer from.

Rhys

On 20 February 2017 at 15:08, Artisan Broadcast (Sales) <
sales at artisanbroadcast.uk> wrote:

> Miles
>
> You have said exactly the same as we all said on the Facebook Community
> Radio group several times.
>
> Hopefully that's enough now as it's got boring.
>
> Regards,
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> On 20 February 2017 at 08:45, Associated Broadcast Consultants <
> info at a-bc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Good advice from Miles!   Also, unless you are lucky enough to have a wav
>> file library, use a lossless editor otherwise you will lose quality if you
>> use a standard editor like Audition or Audacity. There are several
>> available, I use mp3DirectCut.  This one has a batch mode so it's good for
>> top and tailing silence off your entire library.
>>
>> Glyn
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>> On 20 February 2017 at 07:46, Miles Shrimpton <miles at funky.sx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rhys
>>>
>>> We are a station playing dance and urban - we have a strictly no
>>> swearing policy even out of hours late at night - it seems such a 'grey'
>>> area still. Our grime shows are radio edited and also run a warning message
>>> at the start regarding offensive content - just incase we missed a word in
>>> editing a 2 hour show!
>>>
>>> If in doubt cut it out - until of course we know for sure what the rules
>>> are :)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Miles
>>> Funky SX 103.7FM
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> >   1. Re:  Attn: Urban stations.... language?
>>> >      (Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff))
>>> >   2. Re:  Attn: Urban stations.... language? (David Sharp)
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>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 16:32:27 +0000
>>> > From: "Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff)" <rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>
>>> > To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
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>>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?
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>>> > No we don't know "the answer". My question wasn't "what is allowed by
>>> > Ofcom?". My question was "what do other urban stations do?".
>>> >
>>> > We, as an urban music station want to make a decision on this (we've
>>> > allowed bad language late at night up until now) and if we are going to
>>> > change it, we want to know what other similar stations are doing to
>>> help us
>>> > benchmark where we sit.
>>> >
>>> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 4:17 PM Neil Munday <neilm at susyradio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> There you go you know the answer!
>>> >> But with the code of offensive words and sayings having just been
>>> revised
>>> >> and most teenagers ( children) being up to the small hours when is a
>>> good
>>> >> time to put this type of music in the playlist?
>>> >>
>>> >> Neil
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:58, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>>> >> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> That is just factually incorrect Neil. Ofcom guidance clearly states:
>>> >>
>>> >> "Ofcom recognises that music is a fundamental component of radio
>>> >> programming. In addition, we recognise that there is a tradition of
>>> certain
>>> >> genres of music including potentially offensive lyrics in songs. In
>>> line
>>> >> with the broadcaster?s right to freedom of expression and the
>>> audience?s
>>> >> right to receive information and ideas, it is important that
>>> broadcasters
>>> >> have the editorial freedom to broadcast potentially offensive content,
>>> >> provided it complies with the Code."
>>> >>
>>> >> The only thing the code says is that it shouldn't go out at times when
>>> >> children are likely to be listening.
>>> >>
>>> >> Therefore it's down to the station to decide if they want it to be
>>> part of
>>> >> their sound / is it what their audience want to hear.
>>> >>
>>> >> Hence my question to other urban stations who are likely to have a
>>> similar
>>> >> audience to us.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:32 PM Neil Munday <neilm at susyradio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It's simple there's the Ofcom code for FM/AM/DAB broadcasters. There
>>> is no
>>> >> watershed on radio (at the moment) therefore the answer is No you
>>> can't
>>> >> play any. But you as a broadcaster and or a presenter should already
>>> know
>>> >> that that has been key to broadcasting in the U.K as far back as I can
>>> >> remember.
>>> >>
>>> >> Neil
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:21, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>>> >> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello,
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm interested in hearing what policies urban music stations put in
>>> place
>>> >> for bad language in songs.
>>> >>
>>> >> E.g. for hip hop music, over half the genre includes offensive
>>> language
>>> >> and if you're an urban station with specialist (late night) hip hop
>>> shows,
>>> >> do you allow this music to be played? Or do you insist on only clean
>>> stuff
>>> >> going out?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rhys
>>> >>
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>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 17:04:26 +0000
>>> > From: David Sharp <dave.sharp at academyfmfolkestone.com>
>>> > To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
>>> >    <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> >    <ffe018418227459191f17acdd6fdaeca at FOLK-SVR-EXC01.FOLKESTONE.
>>> INTERNAL>
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>>> >
>>> > Hi
>>> >
>>> > Over the years we have hosted a number of shows with this type of
>>> content including urban music, metal, hip-hop, and house music containing
>>> offensive vocal samples. We have an added complication that we are based in
>>> a school, and therefore are arguably more likely to have young people
>>> listening.... and also teenage listeners who want to hear some of the more
>>> edgy music.
>>> >
>>> > Broadly speaking, our approach is:
>>> >
>>> > We have a presenter handbook that all presenters read and sign, giving
>>> guidance on what is possible and what's not. One important thing I try to
>>> get them to understand though, is that they should always check songs and
>>> always ask me for guidance.
>>> >
>>> > I recommend you have a policy and stick to it, even if you have to be
>>> harsh. I have unfortunately had to dismiss volunteers for not checking
>>> songs and broadcasting some unsuitable songs. This sends out a strong
>>> message that we take the issue seriously.
>>> >
>>> > No bad language at all before 9pm.
>>> >
>>> > Shows after 9pm that contain bad language include language-warning
>>> messages twice an hour. Regarding the nature of the language.... I don't
>>> mind a s**t or two before 10pm. It's only after 11pm that I'd be OK with
>>> stronger language, and even then there would be language-warnings, and I
>>> would have to trust the presenter to communicate with me.
>>> >
>>> > I am sure some have slipped though the net - I can't listen 24/7. But
>>> if you have a process in place, and made the presenter sign the Handbook,
>>> then I assume Ofcom is going to treat any complaint more leniantly. I would
>>> be interested to hear of anyone with actual experience of dealing with
>>> Ofcom regarding this.
>>> >
>>> > It's not just about swearing. There are hip-hop songs out there with
>>> no swear words, but still discuss blowing people away with automatic
>>> weapons, and 'hoes' (not the gardening type). Presenters need to know this
>>> is also potentially offensive.
>>> >
>>> > All presenters are briefed that if one 'slips through the net' then
>>> they apologise immediately. This is then followed by a discussion where I
>>> explain that it should not be a net, but a bag ;-)
>>> >
>>> > The question we always get to is 'what is offensive and what is not'.
>>> This can only be decided by the management of an individual station,
>>> knowing their Target Audience, show times, how easily offended the
>>> listeners are, and procedure for language-warnings and perhaps a list of
>>> 'banned' words. This is best illustrated by Radio 3, which has some of the
>>> most prudish listeners in the day yet gets away with broadcasting some
>>> properly filthy stuff occasinoally in the evenings, all appropriately
>>> flagged.
>>> >
>>> > I think it should be applauded that Community stations broadcast
>>> challenging shows. I believe the BBC has a published list of (researched)
>>> relative offence given by specific words - I know it's the BBC and they are
>>> governed in a different way, but it makes interesting reading....I can't
>>> find the link ATM but perhaps someone else has it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> > --
>>> > Dave Sharp
>>> > Station Manager
>>> > 105.9 Academy FM Folkestone
>>> > Mobile: 07811 407635
>>> > Folkestone office: 01303 721059 (Ext.4)
>>> > Internal Folkestone Academy: x2499
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>>> fmfolkestone.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <
>>> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Neil Munday <
>>> neilm at susyradio.com>
>>> > Sent: 19 February 2017 16:00
>>> > To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
>>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?
>>> >
>>> > There you go you know the answer!
>>> > But with the code of offensive words and sayings having just been
>>> revised and most teenagers ( children) being up to the small hours when is
>>> a good time to put this type of music in the playlist?
>>> >
>>> > Neil
>>> > On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:58, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>>> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org<mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > That is just factually incorrect Neil. Ofcom guidance clearly states:
>>> >
>>> > "Ofcom recognises that music is a fundamental component of radio
>>> programming. In addition, we recognise that there is a tradition of certain
>>> genres of music including potentially offensive lyrics in songs. In line
>>> with the broadcaster's right to freedom of expression and the audience's
>>> right to receive information and ideas, it is important that broadcasters
>>> have the editorial freedom to broadcast potentially offensive content,
>>> provided it complies with the Code."
>>> >
>>> > The only thing the code says is that it shouldn't go out at times when
>>> children are likely to be listening.
>>> >
>>> > Therefore it's down to the station to decide if they want it to be
>>> part of their sound / is it what their audience want to hear.
>>> >
>>> > Hence my question to other urban stations who are likely to have a
>>> similar audience to us.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:32 PM Neil Munday <neilm at susyradio.com
>>> <mailto:neilm at susyradio.com>> wrote:
>>> > It's simple there's the Ofcom code for FM/AM/DAB broadcasters. There
>>> is no watershed on radio (at the moment) therefore the answer is No you
>>> can't play any. But you as a broadcaster and or a presenter should already
>>> know that that has been key to broadcasting in the U.K as far back as I can
>>> remember.
>>> >
>>> > Neil
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:21, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>>> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org<mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > I'm interested in hearing what policies urban music stations put in
>>> place for bad language in songs.
>>> >
>>> > E.g. for hip hop music, over half the genre includes offensive
>>> language and if you're an urban station with specialist (late night) hip
>>> hop shows, do you allow this music to be played? Or do you insist on only
>>> clean stuff going out?
>>> >
>>> > Rhys
>>> > _______________________________________________
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