[cma-l] [EXT] Re: Outside broadcasting recommendation
Richard Berry
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Wed Aug 2 15:14:17 BST 2017
We've used a variety of systems over the years. We had good results from IPDTL, but also have positive experiences of the currently free Cleanfeed and Source Elements. The benefits of having a return feed is that a good engineer can setup return talkback, with is handy if you plan to play music from the studio end. We've also heard of a local commercial station favouring the recorded approach, using Dropbox to send files back to the studio where a tech op plays them out.
I suspect a lot of IP calling systems will start to do an equally good job fairly soon and so these are worth looking at. The hazard with IP is you are at the mercy of the strength and speecd of the internet. Beware of using wifi anywhere that the public can too, as you may suddenly find you can't get online!
Richard
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On 2 Aug 2017, at 11:05, Mike Davison <mike.g1sbn at gmail.com<mailto:mike.g1sbn at gmail.com>> wrote:
And you can't have my 1978 Sony ICF5900w portable either. It's in perfect working order.
Mike D.
On 01/08/2017 14:52, Bay Fm Radio wrote:
Hi Nick,
I've got a knackered DAB radio set if you want it for your museum. Unfortunately, you can't have the 30 year old FM ghetto blaster, it's still working perfectly ;)
Andy
Bay FM.
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Dear General Herd ?? LOL
I never understand the fuss with all this malarkey.
You watch Sky News and the BBC + ITV / Channel 4 News and they have interviewees on talking to the Newscaster via Skype and quite frankly some of them sound like they’re in a Fish Tank ?? the picture is all wibbly wobbley and the mouth motion to speech is so out-of-sync you think it’s a different programme LOL but alas, it does the job.
I think it is all about ‘’does it do what it says on the tin?’’ you can mess around til doomsday for absolute perfection, my policy has always been ‘it’s pointless’ the average listener has forgotten all the glitches after about an 8 second count (if that)
I can’t remember who pointed something out the other day regarding delayed broadcast … ? ie:- record it, send it back to the Studio and play it out 30 minutes later ………it sounds almost live’ and well pointed out, those being interviewed can listen back even from the venue ……. Personally, I think that is better than live’
How technology has moved on in the past ten years is fascinating. Straight down t’internet via dongles etc whereas back in 2005 we (Canalside) won a local grant to the tune of = £8,800 Pounds --- we bought a POTS Commander Kit. It turns a normal phone line into ISDN Quality ……. come 2009 it has virtually become obsolete, although we do still have it wired up at one end in the Main Studio.
We’re thinking of opening a Museum with all the duff outdated kit --- what with record players, tape machines, mini disc players, hard disc recorders, the list is endless. Some of which had a shelf life of about 4 years tops !
Bear in mind that all this stuff was in Daily use in Canalside (and it worked) up to 2011 ……………. The mind boggles what next ?
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Outside broadcasting recommendation
That can also be a useful technique for interviews or remote show presentation if the person at the other end has recording facilities.
You can record the live interview/conversation using Skype but also recording clean feeds of the local contribution at each end, then have the remote recording sent in and mix it with the local recording to recreate a high sound quality version.
Each part does what it does best: Skype provides the low-latency interactivity and the clean feed recordings provide the quality. It's a good idea also to keep a copy of the Skype version in case anything goes wrong with the clean recordings, and as always it depends on your remote end getting a good acoustic environment and knowing what they are doing.
I think a lot of multi-participant podcasts are recorded and edited that way nowadays as well.
Alex
On 30 July 2017 at 23:02 Associated Broadcast Consultants <info at a-bc.co.uk<mailto:info at a-bc.co.uk>> wrote:
Perhaps even easier, even more reliable and arguably better on-air sound is to use a digital recorder and email segments back to the studio.
- Listeners will not know it is live (why does it matter if it's minutes later?)
- People at the event will not be listening to the radio, or if they do they might stand a chance of hearing themselves
- It's less risky - in case of naughty words, or the person just freezes
- Much smoother transition from studio to event. The presenter will have pre-listened to it and know how to handover into and out of it
- avoid technical glitches like mobile network congestion, poor coverage etc.
Simples!
Glyn
On 30 July 2017 at 19:33, <admin at edenfm.co.uk<mailto:admin at edenfm.co.uk>> wrote:
Here, we simply stream back to the studio.
We use Butt to encode (free, although donation suggested) and feed a dedicated web stream, that costs us about £3 a month.
All you need is access to a wi-fi at the OB end. If we don’t have that, then we use a 3G dongle.
At the studio end, we use WinAmp to receive the stream and feed to the studio desk.
The cheapest possible way and it works every time.
-Nigel-
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk<mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk<mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Clingham
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Subject: [cma-l] Outside broadcasting recommendation
Can anyone share some ideas with us here at Saint FM. http://www.saint.fm
We want to be more active with outside broadcasting
We have an historical event coming up that is in a remote location that will attract lots of outside audience
We will have access to phone lines and (possible the internet with up to 128k to be confirm)
This location is not line of site to the station, previously we have used copper pairs, is there any cheap IP or any solution recommended from your experience.
What outside broadcasting options are recommended that is cost effective.
We don’t have a load of money to throw at this as we are a community station driven by less than 4000 listeners locally.
Just to not we need to feed the broadcast back the station for local broadcast and internet streaming.
Johnny
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