[cma-l] Community Radio Fund mini-survey

Thu May 26 10:27:24 BST 2016

Hiya Nick,

This is a genuine question to you and the rest of the list, but what does
successful plan B look like?

On 26 May 2016 at 07:51, Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk>
wrote:

> Ask Mr Whittingdale and Mr Vaizey to raid a larder or two and come up with
> the same amount for us    (just like they did for Community White Elephant
> TV / BBC Journalists / Newspapers etc etc and then pop it in our Pot
> ………….divvy the Pot out equally, and 50% of our problems disappear overnight.
>
> 8 Million on top of what we already have and it’s game over.
>
>
>
> If not, then we DEMAND to know why not, so please ask the question.
>
>
>
> Me personally, I would like the answer (whether negative or affirmative)
> to be at least valid. I would be grateful if we don’t receive an answer
> that :-
>
>
>
> 1)       Insults our intelligence
>
> 2)       Tells us how wonderful we are, but gives us nothing concrete
>
> 3)       Tells us 20 things that we already know
>
>
>
> In the event of a negative we need a Plan B. Plan B has to consist of
> either a way forward, sideways or backwards as the Status Quo is as dead as
> a Dodo.
>
>
>
> You then get a mandate from members …….. preferably from those who are
> prepared to stand up and be counted and/or those who are prepared to be
> walked all over, keel over and die or spend the rest of their days as a
> carpet.
>
>
>
> We are not the third tier of broadcasting, we are the third fiddle in the
> Orchestra at the moment.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
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>
> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Martin Steers
> *Sent:* 25 May 2016 16:22
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Fund mini-survey
>
>
>
> Alan,
>
>
>
> You do raise very good points, and I think you might be right.. but if
> anything all we do is ask then at least we have done something.
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On 25 May 2016 at 16:12, Alan Coote <alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
>
>
> I think the argument to support local papers is that the BBC will gain
> qualified journalists as stringers where they don’t already have them or to
> save money by reallocating staff. I’m not sure what numbers were crunched
> to get to £8M but someone thought about it  -  for a few minutes at least.
>
>
>
> Most community stations don’t employ journalists, so it would be difficult
> to justify diverting licence fee money into arguably less suitable
> organisations, especially when they could undermine BBC local radios value
> in serving the community.
>
>
>
> Personally – I don’t think there is much opportunity to engage with the
> BBC on this issue.
>
>
>
> Alan
>
> Let’s Talk Business
>
>
>
>
>
> So thats BBC's money to sort of spend as they wish. Its also to fund the
> BBC employment of staff into "qualifying local news organisations" so just
> cash for newspapers.
>
>
>
> There may be scope to engage with the BBC to unpick whats involved and to
> see if community stations can be classified into these "qualifying local
> news organisations" for journalists into stations (to not mention access to
> local video etc).
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On 25 May 2016 at 12:53, Two Lochs Radio <tlr at gairloch.co.uk> wrote:
>
> As per previous postings, Ron, the money would come from the licence fee.
> The BBC reckons it is a good value for money (£8m/year) in news gathering,
> giving it and other local media better and cost-effective coverage of local
> news, particular things such as local authority and public utility news
> stories.
>
> For more details of how the BBC sees it:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/bbc-nma-partnership
>
> Alex
>
> On 25 May 2016 at 12:18 Ron Millet <ronm at bridging-thegap.co.uk> wrote:
>
> The real set of questions to ask is.
>
>
>
> 1) where is the money for newspaper journalists coming from?
>
>
>
> 2) if it has come from Ofcom or DCMS resources from what sector has it
> been taken?
>
>
>
> 3) what legislation and relevant section gives authority for granting
> these monies?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On 25 May 2016, at 19:59, Tony Bailey <ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> One possibility Nick (dredging the memory banks here) wasn't there a
> proposal to introduce community Beeb websites which was seen by some to
> undermine local press?
>
> Tony Bailey
>
> On 23/05/16 12:32, Canalside's The Thread wrote:
>
>
>
> QUOTE:
>
> ………I ask the question again and I have asked via my local MP / Mr
> Vaizey      this money that has suddenly appeared from nowhere to fund
> Newspaper Journalists (which has absolutely nothing to do with Radio
> !)(unless I have missed something?)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [
> mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Best
> *Sent:* 20 May 2016 17:45
> *To:* cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> *Subject:* [cma-l] Community Radio Fund mini-survey
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Just in case people didn't see this email buried in the long thread
> entitled 'Community Radio Fund & the CMA' I'm reposting this in a new
> thread to give it higher profile.
>
>
>
> The CMA informed DCMS in its 2014 Community Radio Consultation that we had
> held a consultation meeting in Sheffield in April 2014 at which members
> attending the meeting "unanimously put forward the view that the Community
> Radio Fund should be distributed equally to all eligible stations rather
> than on a contested basis as is now". However it was apparent at the time
> that not all members supported that view.
>
>
>
> The original question put forward by DCMS in its 2014 Consultation was as
> follows:
>
>
>
> Question 7 – How can Community Radio Fund grant funding be better used.
>
> *There are no plans to alter how decisions are taken to distribute the
> grant however we welcome views on other ways in which the grant could be
> better targeted and how might this be done. *
>
>
>
> Interestingly there is no acknowledgement of Question 7 in the Government
> Response to the Consultation on Community Radio here:
> http://bit.ly/1XmMLaA
>
>
>
> The advice I have received on this so far is that a change to how the
> Community Radio Fund is distributed would not be impossible. However to
> distribute the Fund equally between all licensed stations would require a
> substantial change on which DCMS "would probably need to consult".
>
>
>
> The agreement between DCMS and Ofcom is written by DCMS - the Fund belongs
> to DCMS and is merely administered by Ofcom. The Funding Agreement for the
> next four years now requires updating. For the current year (2016/17),
> substantial change is not envisaged - the first round of the Fund
> <http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/radio/community-radio-fund/> is
> already open for applications and *closes next week on Thursday 26th May*.
>
>
>
> Going forward, DCMS will look more broadly at the CRF to reflect the
> secured funding of £400,000 for community radio for 2016/17, 2017/18,
> 2018/19 and 2019/20. Other options for distributing the Fund will be
> considered.
>
>
>
> This week, the CMA has again indicated to DCMS that a proposal to
> distribute the CRF equally amongst licensed stations remains popular and
> the CMA will collate the views expressed on this mailing list and submit
> them to DCMS and to Ofcom. There is also an online form here for members to
> submit their feedback:
>
>
>
> http://bit.ly/2016CRF
>
>
>
> We will keep this 'mini-survey' open until *30th June*.
>
>
>
> Best regards for now
>
>
>
> Bill Best
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