[cma-l] Community Radio Joint Music Licence
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And the Circus continues
.. allow me to throw another one into the mix
and possibly one I haven’t mentioned before. Obviously if I do go over my
old ground I will break the World record for the longest e-mail ever
--------- supposing a Community Station down the Road decides to pull a fast
one or two and ride close to the edge or even over the edge regarding (not
fulfilling key commitments)(I don’t see how ?? but for this argument let say
they do) (correct me if I am wrong this appears to be one of the gripes)
and WE the Community Radio sector basically do a carbon copy of what
Commercial Radio do, which white wash, bland, boring, brain dead, money
orientated thrust towards a common denominator, but of course we are doing
it with rookies, novices, trainees etc etc and we are STILL a threat
!????? is it not they who have the problem and not us ??
Plus, Richard and Alan are spot on, and regards to the advertising and
commercial viability etc etc etc (same old yawning drool) it is the
Internet that has put a dent in the profits
we are no threat at all, never
have been and never will be ---------- and if we are, then Commercial Radio
is dead Dodo anyway.
I go back to one of my original and first statements when the Circus started
you load and saddle us up with as many restrictions as you wish
in
fact you can pile them so high that we look like an overloaded Pack Mule
----- it doesn’t alter the fact that if every single adult turned off the
commercial Station and tunes to the Community Station they are bon voyage
anyway ---- it’s just a nonsense and one of the biggest Red Herrings I have
ever seen.
What Community Radio has actually done is to up the game of these folk so
that the Communities around the Country now have reasonable Commercial
Stations and good Community sources, which is the best of both Worlds. Go
back to the Days of the late 90’s and early 0’s just before Community Radio
came along --- commercial Radio had gone lazy, they took things for granted
surely this couldn’t be a good thing ? they were taking money under
false pretences
.
Anyway
nuff said, I suppose the same old arguments will just keep getting
regurgitated.
What I want to know is not the comments on the survey and the
‘’’consultation’’’ why don’t they just skip that coz we’ve heard it all
before for the last 14 years, just go straight to the nitty gritty and ask
the question ‘’well if this is the case, what do you suggest the
Government and Ofcom do about it ?’’’ why does everyone keep
walking on eggshells, pussy-footying around ?? just get straight to point
man and say it as it is.
Onwards and Upwards Viva la Community Radio in fact, Viva la Commercial
Radio, there’s room for everyone.
Nick Dumpty
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Hilton
Sent: 15 July 2016 18:25
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Joint Music Licence
To be fair I should take back my initial comments about this not looking
like a survey. Alan’s comments that they don’t ask about the staff they have
employed who gained experience from community radio is valid.
To save you the time going through their questions, below is a quick summary
of the survey:-
Do you strongly agree, agree, neither agree or disagree, disagree etc to the
following:-
Question : Community radio stations are distinct from commercial radio
Question : Community radio stations are successful in delivering social
objectives (or social gain), including training and outreach work with local
communities
Then a set of questions about the impact community radio has had and might
have in future on their 1) Ad revenue and 2) audience.
It then asks if they have contacted Ofcom with concerns or complaints about
community radio and if yes, please provide details and whether you were
satisfied with Ofcom’s response and whether you think it had any effect.
Question :- Do you believe Ofcom regulates community radio effectively?
Question:- Please tell us if your station(s) or group has been impacted in
any other way by the activity of local community radio stations - providing
brief examples where applicable.
“The list below, which is not exhaustive, highlights some of the principal
issues.
- Commercial activity
- Nature of editorial content/ speech
- Distinctiveness of music (ideally supported by data)
- Compliance with key commitments
- New licence applications
- Transmission/ technical issues”
So the survey assumes commercial stations are knowledgeable in whether we
are successful in delivering social objectives (or social gain), including
training and outreach work with local communities. It also assumes they are
experts in how Ofcom regulates our sector.
It would have been interesting to see them ask where, given all the threats
they face (BREXIT, BBC, online advertising, economy etc.) where community
radio stands in the hierarchy of threats to their audience and ad revenue.
But they are communicating with their members and hopefully the answers will
challenge the apparent bias and ignorance in some of their questions. And
hopefully they will share some of their finding with us and no just issue a
press release and start lobbying Ofcom.
Richard
From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Coote
Sent: 15 July 2016 16:00
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Joint Music Licence
They skilfully (or otherwise) don’t ask;
1. Please specify how many people your station has employed with
valuable prior experience gained from Community Radio?
RadioCentre appear incredibly naïve with this survey when obviously the
biggest challenge to revenue is online advertising, and the biggest fight
for listeners is with the BBC and non RadioCentre commercial stations.
Either way it’s definitely not the £1 a spot community station transmitting
with less power than a bedside light!
A RadioCentre faux pas of epic proportions?
Kind Regards
Alan
Twitter - <http://www.twitter.com/TheAlanCoote> @LTBShow
Web - http://www.LetsTalkBusinessOnline.com <http://www.5digital.co.uk/>
From: <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Richard Hilton
<Richard.Hilton at bitc.org.uk>
Reply-To: "cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk" <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Date: Friday, 15 July 2016 at 11:57
To: "cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk" <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Joint Music Licence
Very interesting.
I don’t think this doesn’t sound like a survey but more a (fishing)
expedition for (probably non-scientific) evidence of non-performance in our
sector. And surely they prejudice any replies by saying they have raised
concerns about our sector. I’d be more impressed if they simply asked their
members in a neutral manner for their experiences of community radio
stations.
I’d also be more impressed if they did conduct a proper survey rather than
ask for ‘experiences’ . Maybe we should ask to be allowed to contact their
members to conduct a proper survey! At the very least we should ask them to
share the feedback they receive (all names retracted of course!).
But interesting that they acknowledge the ‘continuing growth of the sector’.
Richard
From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Two Lochs Radio
Sent: 14 July 2016 21:45
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Joint Music Licence
Meanwhile, the commercial radio stations are also engaged in a survey:
Community radio survey
We want to hear directly from [commercial radio station] members about their
experiences of community radio stations. The Radiocentre Policy Group has
raised concerns about the continuing growth of the sector and the need to
ensure that community radio stations, run on a not-for-profit basis, really
deliver content such as training, news and discussion which is of benefit to
local communities, as required by the terms of their licences.
Dear Members & Supporters
...
In order to inform the CMA’s discussion with PPL and PRSfM the CMA has
published an online survey seeking views from members and the wider sector
on the proposed Joint Licence from PRSfM and PPL. Additionally, should any
CMA members wish to share any particular views we would very much like to
hear from you via this form:
http://bit.ly/PPLPRS2016
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