[cma-l] PPL / PRS for Music mini consultation

Thu Feb 11 08:47:08 GMT 2016

Isn't this an opportunity to go right back to basics?
Why are we paying to use something that is essentially out there in the public domain?
Why should we be paying artists to give their work exposure?
Should it be the other way round - they pay us?If we decide to pay, shouldn't we pay in proportion to the number of people that consume the product?What authority do the two organisations have in Law to demand what amount to random fees?
Where is the evidence of distribution and proportion to the alleged beneficiaries?
As with Charities, how much of what is taken in goes to administration?
I'm prepared to put money on not getting a satisfactory answer to a single one of those points.
Go on - surprise me?

Ian Hickling
Partner

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:11:59 +0000
From: bruce at celticmusicradio.net
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l]  PPL / PRS for Music mini consultation

Bill,
Maybe questions on why PRS were prepared to waive additional fees for the DAB pilot, but PPL were not.
The inherent unfairness of the “minimum fee” - where in general they apply a set percentage of net broadcast revenue to determine the base fee, but for the majority of low income community stations we have to pay a “minimum fee”, which effectively means we pay a substantially higher percentage rate (to subsidise their bureaucratic processes)
The fact that we focus on niche genres of music that are largely ignored by the majority of commercial stations, and the vast majority of the performers who we encounter have never received a penny from PPL or PRS - perhaps due to the minimum payouts to artists.
I just googled the “top 100 artists played on UK radio” - which no doubt reflects the PPL and PRS payouts. Of the performers in that top 100, I’m reply sure we have never played anything by 90% of them.
Bruce.

On 10 Feb 2016, at 18:36, Clive Glover <clivegloveruk at gmail.com> wrote:
Bill
Apart from the general principle of why they are collecting from non-profit stations as others have raised, I would like to ask for the justification for extra charges for Internet streaming and, in particular, why they demanded fees for the Low power DAB experiment/pilots.
We were all ready to apply for the DAB pilot but changed our mind when we realised we would have to fork out more than £2,000 to copyright bodies - money we don't have and for absolutely no benefit to us or our audience and local community.
Good luck!
regards,
Clive Glover
Radio Verulam 92.6FM
St Albans
On 10 Feb 2016, at 17:19, Bill Best wrote:
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
It was a typo and a correction as issued.
We are meeting with PPL and PRS this Friday 12th February 2016.
Link here for your feedback:
http://bit.ly/pplprs
I've got September on my mind as we are also planning the 2016 Community Media Conference - news of this will be imminent. Watch this space!
Best regards
Bill-- Operations Manager
Community Media Association
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On 10 February 2016 at 17:01, Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk> wrote:

Is the meeting 12th Feb or 12th
Sept ?   it says September on the form ? 

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The Community Media Association is meeting with PPL and PRS for Music
this Friday 12th February 2016.

Please use the form below to detail any specific issues that you would
like us to raise with the music licensing agencies.

http://bit.ly/pplprs

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