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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Isn't this an opportunity to go right back to basics?<div><br><div>Why are we paying to use something that is essentially out there in the public domain?<br>Why should we be paying artists to give their work exposure?<br>Should it be the other way round - they pay us?</div><div>If we decide to pay, shouldn't we pay in proportion to the number of people that consume the product?</div><div>What authority do the two organisations have in Law to demand what amount to random fees?<br>Where is the evidence of distribution and proportion to the alleged beneficiaries?<br>As with Charities, how much of what is taken in goes to administration?</div><div><br></div><div>I'm prepared to put money on not getting a satisfactory answer to a single one of those points.<br>Go on - surprise me?<br><br><div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font size="3"><b>Ian Hickling</b><br></font></div><font style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-size:12pt;" size="3"><font style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">Partner</font></font><br><br><a href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204);"><img alt="" src="https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/2SkDsnIzSZgRbNnNKBSiwxiFhFQWRGV55mTjVL23fulnJpstZmYxeKrrYefY4qxiSgkMrAETld64XINLXCsujE_zI5gAsQyWeCWvHixcrNYtar3Sij4YlVBgN2NSQ-n2DsgZvrnpWZlfwCQ=s0-d-e1-ft#http://www.transplanuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/transplan_UK_weblogo_190x60.png"></a><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">Office: 01635 578435 (7am-11pm UK time)</font></i></div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">Carphone: 07530 980115 (only responds when driving)</font></i></div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</font></i></div></div><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:11:59 +0000<br>From: bruce@celticmusicradio.net<br>To: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<br>Subject: [cma-l] PPL / PRS for Music mini consultation<br><br><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div><div>Bill,</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe questions on why PRS were prepared to waive additional fees for the DAB pilot, but PPL were not.</div><div><br></div><div>The inherent unfairness of the “minimum fee” - where in general they apply a set percentage of net broadcast revenue to determine the base fee, but for the majority of low income community stations we have to pay a “minimum fee”, which effectively means we pay a substantially higher percentage rate (to subsidise their bureaucratic processes)</div><div><br></div><div>The fact that we focus on niche genres of music that are largely ignored by the majority of commercial stations, and the vast majority of the performers who we encounter have never received a penny from PPL or PRS - perhaps due to the minimum payouts to artists.</div><div><br></div><div>I just googled the “top 100 artists played on UK radio” - which no doubt reflects the PPL and PRS payouts. Of the performers in that top 100, I’m reply sure we have <b>never</b> played anything by 90% of them.</div><div><br></div><div>Bruce.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div style="direction:ltr;"><blockquote><div>On 10 Feb 2016, at 18:36, Clive Glover <<a target="_blank">clivegloveruk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;">Bill<div><br></div><div>Apart from the general principle of why they are collecting from non-profit stations as others have raised, I would like to ask for the justification for extra charges for Internet streaming and, in particular, why they demanded fees for the Low power DAB experiment/pilots.</div><div><br></div><div>We were all ready to apply for the DAB pilot but changed our mind when we realised we would have to fork out more than £2,000 to copyright bodies - money we don't have and for absolutely no benefit to us or our audience and local community.</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck!</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Clive Glover</div><div><br></div><div>Radio Verulam 92.6FM</div><div><br></div><div>St Albans</div><div><br><div><div>On 10 Feb 2016, at 17:19, Bill Best wrote:</div><br><blockquote><div dir="ltr">Hi Nick<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your message.</div><div><br></div><div>It was a typo and a correction as issued.</div><div><br></div><div>We are meeting with PPL and PRS this <b>Friday 12th February 2016</b>.</div><div><br></div><div>Link here for your feedback:</div><div><br></div><div><b><a href="http://bit.ly/pplprs" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/pplprs</a></b></div><div><br></div><div>I've got September on my mind as we are also planning the 2016 Community Media Conference - news of this will be imminent. Watch this space!</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">Best regards</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">Bill</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">-- <br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span><div><div><div><div><div>Operations Manager<br></div>Community Media Association<br></div><a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><br></div><div><a href="https://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/community_media</a><br></div><div><a href="https://facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">https://facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br><br></div><div></div>Canstream Internet Radio<br></div><a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk</a><br></div><a href="https://twitter.com/canstream" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/canstream</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 10 February 2016 at 17:01, Canalside's The Thread <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank">office@thethread.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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