[cma-l] Eddie on DAB v FM
Ian Hickling
transplanfm at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 4 17:36:10 BST 2015
I suggest that the only investment that could possibly be prejudiced is that in the encoding algorithms units - which are well past their expiry date anyway.
All the rest of the hardware chain would be totally applicable to a different encoding format>
Again - we do need to distinguish please between "DAB" - which refers to the Eureka 147 algorithm - and the general terminology "Digital Terrrestrial Radio" operating on an encoding system that does not use that algorithm - and hence in my assertion is not "DAB" - although the Press will almost certainly in its infinite wisdom not be able to understand or distinguish.
Agreed - existing receivers will almost certainly not be compatible with any new system - so the two will have to run together.That does not however stop the initiation of the decision I advocate.Ian Hickling
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 12:46:22 +0100
From: alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Eddie on DAB v FM
Good points… my six pence worth…
There’s too much money and vested interest in DAB for the powers that be to contemplate replacing it with anything else when it's hardly ubiquitous.
Ian you are right this is ridiculous when radio in the next few years will change significantly, inevitably going IP based and them becoming truly platform independent.
However, I believe that commercial radio, including community radio will have difficult times (interesting opportunities) ahead because fundamentally the more choice people have the more diluted the revenue stream. A case in point is the radio player – a very useful but clear attempt to focus the listener’s choice to stop them drifting off elsewhere on the internet.
At some point in the future the IP delivery bandwidth issue will be solved, at which time I think it’s a fair bet that almost all radio will be bespoke – News Ads, and Music will be adjusted to fit the listener’s profile. We’ve had this for a while on the internet with Spotify etc, but Absolute radio’s breakfast show is a good broadcast example and Sky's AdSmart (Ok for TV) is another.
I also think RAJAR would change (if it existed at all) into a realtime analytics company consolidating radio demographic and IP data traffic into listener profiles for fully automated radio sales.
Right, must crack on now with some steam radio! Kind RegardsAlan Let’s Talk Business Twitter - @LTBShowWeb - http://www.LetsTalkBusinessOnline.com
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Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 09:45
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Subject: [cma-l] Eddie on DAB v FM
As we've come to expect - Alex has injected a level of common sense and sanity.
Even the smallest and simplest FM stations have the capacity from a simple cheap RDS encoder to transmit data in their PS, PI, PT and MS codes to identify their programming and stance to receivers - but most either can't or don't use that information without a deal of input from the listener.
So he's right - there's only a lack of application by lethargic and uninspired manufacturers to prevent station selection now by name and also by four other sorting criteria,.
At the risk of being branded an eternal Luddite, I'll restate my mantra that in the UK we have probably the best terrestrial digital radio infrastructure anywhere with lots of potential spectrum available for use.
We bravely jumped very early and adopted Eureka 147, branded as "DAB" - which is now accepted as archaic and expandable.
No-one else anywhere appears to be prepared to commit to a world-wide system in which manufacturers can have total confidence.
Are we not now in a position where we can make the next bold jump to convert our comprehensive but tired DTR system to a new format - and again show the world the way?
Ian Hickling
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From: tlr at gairloch.co.uk
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 18:34:12 +0100
Subject: Re: [cma-l] by the way - Eddie on DAB vs FM
Exactly Glyn, but that isn't the situation
unfortunately. When the '50% of all listening digital' and the
DAB 'tick mark' criteria were being consulted on, I submitted that it should
also be a requirement that all radios tune by default using the names of
available stations, regardless of whether they were on FM or DAB, but this has
not been done, so there will an increasingly tilted playing field. As you know, there is no reason any FM radio
shouldn't tune by name just like DAB (using RDS to get the names). My old car
radio does this by default as well as showing current show titles.
There's also no technical reason, and only a tiny
financial one, why pause/rewind/programme info, even 'playing now',
shouldn't be supported on FM reception just as well as on DAB. I have a 12 year
old pocket MP3 player with FM radio that offers record/pause/rewind on FM and
the whole thing cost only $10 even then. Given the extra production costs would be tiny
compared with the larger profit margins on DAB sets compared to commodity
FM sets, an obvious reason for why DAB set manufacturers don't generally do
these things is that it would take some of the shine of the supposed benefits of
DAB! The government should have mandated it if it was serious about a level
playing field for FM and DAB. Alex
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Eddie, In a true multi-platform future that James
envisages, the radios will tune independently of channel - ie: in theory all
DAB and FM (and possibly internet) stations in one list. The listener
should not need to know about the underlying technology delivering the
services.
Big "IF" - IF the manufacturers implement multi-platform properly.
Glyn
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