[cma-l] Eddie on DAB v FM

Sat Sep 5 15:59:58 BST 2015

The reason RDS names aren't used as a method of tuning is that RDS isn't
ubiquitous in the US, and in Europe many stations use animated and dynamic
RDS names, which breaks this stuff.

Neither RDS nor DAB offer handoff to IP, nor direct links to other IP-based
resources either, so they're not, by themselves, future-proof.

RadioDNS provides that mapping, which makes radio receivers significantly
more user friendly.

IP is four times smaller than DAB use here in the UK, and is growing slower
as well. (Indeed, growth appears to have stagnated for most.)

The future is multi-platform, and better sets. Sadly, existing broadcasters
aren't entirely on-board.

James

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 17:59 Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I suggest that the only investment that could possibly be  prejudiced is
> that in the encoding algorithms units - which are well past their expiry
> date anyway.
> All the rest of the hardware chain would be totally applicable to a
> different encoding format>
> Again - we do need to distinguish please between "DAB" - which refers to
> the Eureka 147 algorithm - and the general terminology "Digital
> Terrrestrial Radio" operating on an encoding system that does not use that
> algorithm - and hence in my assertion is not "DAB" - although the Press
> will almost certainly in its infinite wisdom not be able to understand or
> distinguish.
> Agreed - existing receivers will almost certainly not be compatible with
> any new system - so the two will have to run together.
> That does not however stop the initiation of the decision I advocate.
> *Ian Hickling*
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> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 12:46:22 +0100
> From: alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk
> To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Eddie on DAB v FM
>
>
> Good points… my six pence worth…
>
> There’s too much money and vested interest in DAB for the powers that be
> to contemplate replacing it with anything else when it's hardly ubiquitous.
>
>
> Ian you are right this is ridiculous when radio in the next few years will
> change significantly, inevitably going IP based and them becoming truly
> platform independent.
>
> However, I believe that commercial radio, including community radio will
> have difficult times (interesting opportunities) ahead because
> fundamentally the more choice people have the more diluted the revenue
> stream. A case in point is the radio player – a very useful but clear
> attempt to focus the listener’s choice to stop them drifting off elsewhere
> on the internet.
>
> At some point in the future the IP delivery bandwidth issue will be
> solved, at which time I think it’s a fair bet that almost all radio will be
> bespoke – News Ads, and Music will be adjusted to fit the listener’s
> profile. We’ve had this for a while on the internet with Spotify etc, but
> Absolute radio’s breakfast show is a good broadcast example and Sky's
> AdSmart (Ok for TV) is another.
>
> I also think RAJAR would change (if it existed at all) into a realtime
> analytics company consolidating radio demographic and IP data traffic into
> listener profiles for fully automated radio sales.
>
> Right, must crack on now with some steam radio!
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> Let’s Talk Business
>
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>
> From: <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of "
> transplanfm at hotmail.com"
> Reply-To: "cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk"
> Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 09:45
> To: "cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk"
> Subject: [cma-l] Eddie on DAB v FM
>
> As we've come to expect - Alex has injected a level of common sense and
> sanity.
> Even the smallest and simplest FM stations have the capacity from a simple
> cheap RDS encoder to transmit data in their PS, PI, PT and MS codes to
> identify their programming and stance to receivers - but most either can't
> or don't use that information without a deal of input from the listener.
> So he's right - there's only a lack of application by lethargic and
> uninspired manufacturers to prevent station selection now by name and also
> by  four other sorting criteria,.
> At the risk of being branded an eternal Luddite, I'll restate my mantra
> that in the UK we have probably the best terrestrial digital radio
> infrastructure anywhere with lots of potential spectrum available for use.
> We bravely jumped very early and adopted Eureka 147, branded as "DAB" -
> which is now accepted as archaic and expandable.
> No-one else anywhere appears to be prepared to commit to a world-wide
> system in which manufacturers can have total confidence.
> Are we not now in a position where we can make the next bold jump to
> convert our comprehensive but tired DTR system to a new format - and again
> show the world the way?
>
> *Ian Hickling*
> Partner
>
> <http://www.transplanuk.com/>
> *Office: 01635 578435  (7am-11pm UK time)*
> *Carphone: 07530 980115 (only responds when driving)*
> *6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS*
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: tlr at gairloch.co.uk
> To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 18:34:12 +0100
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] by the way - Eddie on DAB vs FM
>
> Exactly Glyn, but that isn't the situation unfortunately.
>
> When the '50% of all listening digital' and the DAB 'tick mark' criteria
> were being consulted on, I submitted that it should also be a requirement
> that all radios tune by default using the names of available stations,
> regardless of whether they were on FM or DAB, but this has not been done,
> so there will an increasingly tilted playing field.
>
> As you know, there is no reason any FM radio shouldn't tune by name just
> like DAB (using RDS to get the names). My old car radio does this by
> default as well as showing current show titles.
>
> There's also no technical reason, and only a tiny financial one, why
> pause/rewind/programme info, even 'playing now', shouldn't be supported on
> FM reception just as well as on DAB. I have a 12 year old pocket MP3 player
> with FM radio that offers record/pause/rewind on FM and the whole thing
> cost only $10 even then.
>
> Given the extra production costs would be tiny compared with the larger
> profit margins on DAB sets compared to commodity FM sets, an obvious reason
> for why DAB set manufacturers don't generally do these things is that it
> would take some of the shine of the supposed benefits of DAB! The
> government should have mandated it if it was serious about a level playing
> field for FM and DAB.
>
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Associated Broadcast Consultants <info at a-bc.co.uk>
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> <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 03, 2015 11:16 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] by the way - Eddie on DAB vs FM
>
> Eddie,  In a true multi-platform future that James envisages, the radios
> will tune independently of channel - ie: in theory all DAB and FM (and
> possibly internet) stations in one list.  The listener should not need to
> know about the underlying technology delivering the services.
>
> Big "IF" - IF the manufacturers implement multi-platform properly.
>
> Glyn
>
>
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