[cma-l] Music Royalties for simulcast DAB

[tlr at gairloch.co.uk]

The principle of PPL charging settled by the Copyright tribunal is that it
should be based on the station's advertising and sponsorship revenue (the idea
being that this represents the calue to the station of using the PPL repertoire)
and is a practical way to measure the value derived by the station. It's only
indirectly related to the size of audience in that this would be assumed to
affect the amount that can be charged for adverts.
 
Of course, PPL's problem with Community Radio is that with the licensing
restrictions on broadcast sales many of the stations are not operating to a
traditional radio sales model to generate revenue from sales of airtime, so
revenue does not make a good measure for most of the stations.
 
I can see no justification for additional licensing for a simulcast, but no
doubt PPL may differ.
 
Alex

> On 25 February 2015 at 12:54 Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  This is a hot potato that isn't going to go away.
>  If we agree to paying a Royalty at all - and it's a very big "if" - then
> shouldn't it be graded on the number of consumers - the listening audience?
>  And shouldn't that be determined by the Royalty organisation (the seller) and
> billed as such - rather than being required to be supplied by the broadcaster
> (the customer)?
> 
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>  Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:47:07 +0000
>  From: dannylawrence at gateway978.com
>  To: tlr at gairloch.co.uk
>  CC: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
>  Subject: Re: [cma-l] DAB
> 
>  Well we could all refuse to pay the simulcast of our cr license than,  at
> present I'm on fm and repeat the same service on line
>  They charge for this
>  My impression is that they will charge for this too, without any doubt in my
> mind
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>  From: tlr at gairloch.co.uk <mailto:tlr at gairloch.co.uk>
>  Date: 25/02/2015 12:41:58
>  To: Danny Lawrence <mailto:dannylawrence at gateway978.com>
>  Cc: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>  Subject: Re: [cma-l] DAB
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>  As I said - because PPL charging schemes are inconsistent! Hopefully in this
> case they could work in your favour (but of course PPL may find some way to
> try to charge - personally, if the DAB were a simulcast of an existing FM
> service I would refuse to pay any additional demand). Hopefully this is any
> aspect of the whole idea that the pilot will help clarify.
>   
>  Alex
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>  On 25 February 2015 at 12:33 Danny Lawrence <dannylawrence at gateway978.com>
> wrote:
> 
>  Of course there will be additional charge   we pay extra for streaming our
> service,  why wouldn't we pay more on DAB
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>  From: tlr at gairloch.co.uk <mailto:tlr at gairloch.co.uk>
>  Date: 25/02/2015 12:21:33
>  To: Danny Lawrence <mailto:dannylawrence at gateway978.com> ;   CMA-L
> <mailto:cma-l at commedia.org.uk>
>  Subject: Re: [cma-l] DAB
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>  I don't think there would be any additional charge if it's a simulcast of
> your existing broadcasts - unless they class it as a test transmission I
> suppose.
>   
>  One of the many inconsistencies of PPL charging is that you could (Ofcom
> permitting) increase your transmiission area and audience 10-fold and it would
> not affect your PPL licence terms, but if people in a shop or office within
> your existing area want to listen to the radio they have to pay an additional
> licence,
> 
>  Alex
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>  On 25 February 2015 at 11:27 Danny Lawrence <dannylawrence at gateway978.com>
> wrote:
> 
>  And not forgetting the costs know doubt of PRS/PPL for this trial.......
>   
>  Probably expensive too
>   
>  Dan
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