[cma-l] Officialdom
Tony Bailey
ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk
Wed Feb 18 08:33:07 GMT 2015
Hello Donald,
Good to hear from you again (pity about the London Office..) Not being
on the inside of CR I was a bit puzzled by your final line. Looking back
I see that you wrote almost exactly a year ago on the subject of finance
for CR. I am sure you are aware that Government departments are
primarily responsible to Parliament, which is why we have Agencies to
deal with the "plebs" and administer the law. However, these agencies
have in the past amended the rules through a Statutory Instrument which
is a device capable of significant law bending. It would be informative
to know how many times Ofcom have used one (other than through the old
Radcom Agency section) to facilitate the development of Community Radio.
Best Regards, Tony Bailey
On 17/02/15 14:48, Donald Mack wrote:
> Hi All
> As someone who worked for/with Ofcom on Licensing Community Radio
> stations I could probably answer most, if not all, of your questions,
> including busting a few myths.
> Part of the problem in me doing this is that over the years the same
> questions keep coming up, been answered and then come up again.
> Like many others on here, I also work as a Consultant and would, where
> possible, prefer to be paid for my work. That said, the information
> and experience that I have is not secret. My credentials as a
> supporter of Community Radio (over 30 years) are impeccable and I will
> always try to help if I can.
> What I will say is that people should try to stop viewing Ofcom as if
> it is conspiring against you (station/group/region) personally. The
> Power to make significant change lies within DCMS.
> Kind regards
> Donald McTernan
>> On 05 February 2015 at 17:33 Two Lochs Radio <tlr at gairloch.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Did Ofcom actually refuse to reply in writing to the FOI request? If
>> so, what were the formal grounds for refusal?
>> I agree that the process and its criteria should be open, and it's
>> hard to see convincing reasons for why it shouldn't be. They are
>> guardians of a very scarce public property - FM spectrum, and should
>> be using open and objective criteria to grant its use.
>> Alex
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Alan Coote <mailto:alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk>
>> *To:* 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'
>> <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2015 5:17 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Officialdom
>>
>> I asked Ofcom to explain their scoring process by way of a
>> Freedom of Information Request.
>>
>> This created quite a bit of excitement in Ofcom and many phone
>> calls. They were more than happy to talk over the phone but not
>> answer in writing.
>>
>> I have long believed that the process is floored because it is
>> not repeatable. For example if you send in two averagely good and
>> identical applications they should arrive at the same result, but
>> it's difficult to see how this is the case.
>>
>> It's normal in government contracts to know the criteria and
>> scoring scheme prior to application. Without this Government
>> would open themselves up to litigation. Ofcom's decision is
>> final, there are no appeals and they are not transparent.
>>
>> Most people, I think would find that undemocratic.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> *From:*cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
>> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of
>> *David Duffy
>> *Sent:* 05 February 2015 16:07
>> *To:* Ian Hickling
>> *Cc:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Officialdom
>>
>> I think that's an excellent idea. All in the spirit of 'open
>> government'. One for Dom and Ed to discuss over a slice of cake
>> I feel.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 5 Feb 2015, at 13:57, Ian Hickling
>> <transplanfm at hotmail.com <mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe we should formally ask to be shown the procedure - as
>> it has a very direct effect on Applicants' businesses?
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From:david at theradiopeople.co.uk
>> <mailto:david at theradiopeople.co.uk>
>> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:08:49 +0000
>> To:cma at nnbc.co.uk <mailto:cma at nnbc.co.uk>
>> CC:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
>> <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Officialdom
>>
>> It would be interesting to hear a summary of people's
>> experience on this as there is no published process.
>>
>> * As we all know, the list of applicants is first published
>> followed, a few days later, by the application documents
>> (once the confidential sections have been redacted).
>> * We understand the application is broken into various
>> sections and 'farmed out' to specialists in each area.
>> * We can't identify any discernible order that Ofcom use
>> for prioritising which applications to look at from a
>> region.
>> * If Ofcom has a query regarding anything in your
>> application they will invariably email you. Our
>> experience is that their questions are not worded
>> particularly well (this could be intentional). So be
>> careful how you answer them - don't offer more that they
>> are asking or you could dig yourself into a hole!
>>
>> In short, that's our experience on behalf of our clients.
>> Anyone else?
>>
>> David
>>
>> The Radio People
>>
>>
>> <240 x 240 copy.jpg>
>>
>>
>> Email: david at theradiopeople.co.uk
>> <mailto:david at theradiopeople.co.uk>
>>
>> Website: www.theradiopeople.co.uk <http://theradiopeople.co.uk/>
>>
>> Twitter: @theradiopeople <http://www.twitter.com/theradiopeople>
>>
>> Facebook:facebook.com/theradiopeopleuk
>> <https://www.facebook.com/theradiopeopleuk>
>>
>> On 5 Feb 2015, at 10:07, Terry Doyle <cma at nnbc.co.uk
>> <mailto:cma at nnbc.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Can anyone provide me with some information on how those
>> OFCOM process community licence applications they've
>> received... or is subject to the Official Secrets Act
>> (shoot me now!)
>>
>> Just spoke to and 'representative' and boy do they know
>> how to 'answer' probing questions without 'answering'
>> probing questions.
>>
>> Why am I asking this? Oh just curious!
>>
>> Terry Doyle
>>
>> NNBC, Northampton
>>
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