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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello Donald,<br>
<br>
Good to hear from you again (pity about the London Office..) Not
being on the inside of CR I was a bit puzzled by your final line.
Looking back I see that you wrote almost exactly a year ago on the
subject of finance for CR. I am sure you are aware that
Government departments are primarily responsible to Parliament,
which is why we have Agencies to deal with the "plebs" and
administer the law. However, these agencies have in the past
amended the rules through a Statutory Instrument which is a device
capable of significant law bending. It would be informative to
know how many times Ofcom have used one (other than through the
old Radcom Agency section) to facilitate the development of
Community Radio.<br>
<br>
Best Regards, Tony Bailey<br>
<br>
On 17/02/15 14:48, Donald Mack wrote:<br>
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<div> Hi All </div>
<div> As someone who worked for/with Ofcom on Licensing Community
Radio stations I could probably answer most, if not all, of your
questions, including busting a few myths. </div>
<div> Part of the problem in me doing this is that over the years
the same questions keep coming up, been answered and then come
up again. </div>
<div> Like many others on here, I also work as a Consultant and
would, where possible, prefer to be paid for my work. That said,
the information and experience that I have is not secret. My
credentials as a supporter of Community Radio (over 30 years)
are impeccable and I will always try to help if I can. </div>
<div> What I will say is that people should try to stop viewing
Ofcom as if it is conspiring against you (station/group/region)
personally. The Power to make significant change lies within
DCMS. </div>
<div> Kind regards </div>
<div> Donald McTernan </div>
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<div> <span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Did Ofcom
actually refuse to reply in writing to the FOI request? If
so, what were the formal grounds for refusal?</span> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> <span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">I
agree that the process and its criteria should be open, and
it's hard to see convincing reasons for why it shouldn't be.
They are guardians of a very scarce public property - FM
spectrum, and should be using open and objective criteria to
grant its use.</span> </div>
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<div> <span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;">Alex</span>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"> ----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial; background: #e4e4e4; font-color:
black;"> <strong>From:</strong> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alan.coote@5digital.co.uk">Alan Coote</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"> <strong>To:</strong> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">'The Community
Media Association Discussion List'</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"> <strong>Sent:</strong>
Thursday, February 05, 2015 5:17 PM </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re:
[cma-l] Officialdom </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;">I asked Ofcom to explain their scoring process by
way of a Freedom of Information Request.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;">This created quite a bit of excitement in Ofcom
and many phone calls. They were more than happy to talk
over the phone but not answer in writing.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;">I have long believed that the process is floored
because it is not repeatable. For example if you send in
two averagely good and identical applications they
should arrive at the same result, but it’s difficult to
see how this is the case.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;">It’s normal in government contracts to know the
criteria and scoring scheme prior to application.
Without this Government would open themselves up to
litigation. Ofcom’s decision is final, there are no
appeals and they are not transparent. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;">Most people, I think would find that
undemocratic. </span></p>
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11pt;"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;">Kind Regards</span><span style="font-family:
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11pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d; font-size:
11pt;">Alan</span></p>
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11pt;"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></strong><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';
font-size: 10pt;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <strong>On
Behalf Of </strong>David Duffy<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> 05 February 2015 16:07<br>
<strong>To:</strong> Ian Hickling<br>
<strong>Cc:</strong> The Community Media Association
Discussion List<br>
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [cma-l] Officialdom</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think that’s an excellent idea. All
in the spirit of ‘open government'. One for Dom and Ed
to discuss over a slice of cake I feel.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">David</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 Feb 2015, at 13:57, Ian
Hickling <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Maybe
we should formally ask to be shown the procedure
- as it has a very direct effect on Applicants'
businesses?</span></p>
<div>
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align="center">
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">From:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:david@theradiopeople.co.uk">david@theradiopeople.co.uk</a><br>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:08:49 +0000<br>
To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cma@nnbc.co.uk">cma@nnbc.co.uk</a><br>
CC:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Officialdom</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">It would be
interesting to hear a summary of people’s
experience on this as there is no published
process.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">As we all know,
the list of applicants is first published
followed, a few days later, by the
application documents (once the
confidential sections have been redacted).
</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">We understand the
application is broken into various
sections and 'farmed out’ to specialists
in each area. </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">We can’t identify
any discernible order that Ofcom use for
prioritising which applications to look at
from a region. </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">If Ofcom has a
query regarding anything in your
application they will invariably email
you. Our experience is that their
questions are not worded particularly well
(this could be intentional). So be
careful how you answer them - don’t offer
more that they are asking or you could dig
yourself into a hole!</span></li>
</ul>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">In short, that’s
our experience on behalf of our clients.
Anyone else?</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">David</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">The Radio People</span></p>
</div>
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'Calibri','sans-serif';"><br>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';"><br>
Email: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:david@theradiopeople.co.uk">david@theradiopeople.co.uk</a></span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Helvetica','sans-serif';
font-size: 9pt;">Website: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
target="_blank"
href="http://theradiopeople.co.uk/">www.theradiopeople.co.uk</a></span></p>
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font-size: 9pt;">Twitter: <a
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target="_blank"
href="http://www.twitter.com/theradiopeople">@theradiopeople</a></span></p>
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font-size: 9pt;">Facebook:<span
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target="_blank"
href="https://www.facebook.com/theradiopeopleuk">facebook.com/theradiopeopleuk</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">On 5 Feb 2015,
at 10:07, Terry Doyle <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cma@nnbc.co.uk">cma@nnbc.co.uk</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">Hi All,</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">Can anyone
provide me with some information on
how those OFCOM process community
licence applications they've
received... or is subject to the
Official Secrets Act (shoot me now!) </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">Just spoke to
and 'representative' and boy do they
know how to 'answer' probing questions
without 'answering' probing
questions. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Northampton</span></p>
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