[cma-l] Making Media Matter?

Tue Nov 15 11:13:56 GMT 2011

So are you proposing that we actively support people who are potentially breaking the law - and risk prosecution?
Opposing Government policies isn't going to do a lot to get CR better central funding!
One man's legitimate commercial revenue is another man's greed.
In my experience it's generally the ones who don't have it - and aren't prepared to do anything about it - that like to cause trouble for the people who have worked hard all their lives to build up a successful business.

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Ian Hickling
Partner
transplan UK

> From: roger at coalway.f9.co.uk
> To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:34:22 +0000
> CC: MECCSA at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Making Media matter
> 
> >From distance I have been tuning in to the Occupy London live stream, it is
> a rich and varying mix of opinion, debate, singing, performance but they
> need support, keeping it on air 14-16 hours a day
> 
> So I am writng this to appeal to the Community media community isn;t this
> just the example of real broadcasting that we should be supporting?
> 
> If you can get down there, contact them- if a couple of people a day could
> help with technical, media, content support.
> 
> The cause is challenging greed isn't that the heart of community?
> 
> Do what you can? What can CMA offer? MECCSA?
> 
> www.livestream.com/occupylsx
> 
> best to all
> 
> Roger Drury
> SOUNDWORK Community Projects
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> > 1. Re: Sexually explicit songs and others...... (Eddie Stuart)
> > 2. Re: Sexually explicit songs and others...... (Two Lochs Radio)
> > 3. Re: [comradio-l] Avoiding sexually-explicit songs (Andy King)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:36:46 +0000
> > From: Eddie Stuart <eddie at kcr.fm>
> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......
> > To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
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> >
> > Hmm - a Classic playlist, eh?
> >
> > This is from a 1948 song by Bull Moose Jackson which I wouldn't want to
> > justify to any feminists.....
> >
> > I want a bow legged Woman that's all I want a bow legged Woman that's all
> > I'll fall in love with Her right from the start Because her big fat Legs
> > are so far apart I want a bow legged Woman right now I want to find me A
> > gal somehow She's gotta be built like an ol' bass fiddle Big bow legs and
> > a hole in the middle Gotta be on my way, To find a bow legged Woman today.
> >
> > Not a swear word in sight!
> >
> > Eddie
> >
> > On 01/11/2011 14:20, Julian Mellor wrote:
> >> Very well said Eddie.
> >>
> >> Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre. At face value the
> >> word may be innocent, but to the attuned ear it could be very lude, rude
> >> or even abusive. And that gets even more complex when it's combined with
> >> street slang (what was that word anyway?), or street slang from other
> >> languages (there's an urban track I want to play from Marseille, sung in
> >> a mixture of French and Algerian Arabic - can anyone translate to make
> >> sure it's safe?).
> >>
> >> Maybe we should just keep safe and select only from the Classic Gold
> >> playlist.
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >> On 1 Nov 2011, at 12:29, Eddie Stuart wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's not just explicit songs - I'd use the word "appropriate"
> >>>
> >>> I think that we'd all agree that the Glasgow station who tried to say
> >>> that the Fword was every day speech and that panini didn't mean a
> >>> certain body part was having a laugh and were rightly kicked.
> >>>
> >>> However, the danger is that we get knee-jerk reactions that have
> >>> unintended consequences. Ban Eminem, but then you knock out the song
> >>> that made Dido famous and is OK.
> >>>
> >>> You really need someone of the right age to vet a lot of rap and similar
> >>> stuff - I am old enough to saythat I would have probably caught panini -
> >>> especially given the words around it, but a lot of street slang is just
> >>> way beyond my ken - both musically (?!!) and lyrically.
> >>>
> >>> We have a lot of Gaelic up here and a wonderful column in yesterdays
> >>> Aberdeen Press & Journal commented on the ATM in East London using
> >>> Cockney rhyming slang and asking why the Gaelic Mafia weren't agitating
> >>> for their version up here. The columnist points out that in Gaelic
> >>> rhyming slang a withdrawal would be a "cnap" - literally a lump of
> >>> money, ie a wad of cash. Unfortunately for non-Gaels, the "n" is
> >>> pronounced here as an "r" and would thus sound like the word that got
> >>> Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" banned when it was first released.
> >>>
> >>> The English nickname "Bot" caused total hilarity with Gaelic speaking
> >>> school kids in Stornoway many years ago as they couldn't believe that
> >>> anyone, let alone a visiting Deputy Headmaster, was openly called
> >>> "*rse".
> >>>
> >>> Eric Bogle, much loved as an artist by many of our older Presenters, has
> >>> a song "Guns, Guns, Guns" which is a mickey take on the American way of
> >>> life. The day after Dunblane or the recent Tomintoul Gamekeeper tragedy,
> >>> many people and possibly Ofcom would probably regard that song as at
> >>> least as inapproriate as the Fword!
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't play "I Predict A Riot" the night that Tottenham burned and
> >>> hope that everyone else was that sensible. But if you're using an
> >>> automated playout system out of hours.....?? Do you watch the news and
> >>> then quickly scan your entire music collection?
> >>>
> >>> So yes, you should certainly vet music and not load/play certain tracks.
> >>> The Fword is an obvious one. But you also need to stress
> >>> "appropriateness", not just a very narrow "explicit"
> >>>
> >>> You also need to accept that with the best will in the world, something
> >>> will go wrong once in a while and have procedures in place to handle it.
> >>> The Fword is easy, others become more subjective and station specific.
> >>>
> >>> That's my personal opinion, anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Must go now and finish my playlist for tonight - hmm, now which
> >>> excellent track by my favourite female rock band Fanny shall we start
> >>> with?
> >>>
> >>> Eddie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Sorry Martin - and everyone else - but if, as you say, you haven't the
> >>>> the staff or volunteers to pre-check all music that's played, then you
> >>>> should simply not be using anything - or anyone - that you are not
> >>>> prepared to personally guarantee as socially acceptable.
> >>>>
> >>>> You are leaving yourself wide open to very serious social and litigious
> >>>> action and in my view you should not risk operating a freely-available
> >>>> public service under those conditions.
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------
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> > From: "Two Lochs Radio" <tlr at gairloch.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......
> > To: "Julian Mellor" <julian at 10radio.org>, "Eddie Stuart"
> > <eddie at kcr.fm>
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> > We have pondered similar questions with Gaelic, including the reverse of
> > the situation Eddie describes - there are perfectly common, decent Gaelic
> > words that sound like unnacceptable words in English and can make a
> > Station Manager prick up his ears (oops) as they go by.
> >
> > We also have the problem that a Gaelic word frequently needing to be
> > spoken by non-Gaelic speaking presenters (reading news or what's on items)
> > is a lewd word in Gaelic when pronounced with a slightly shorter vowel
> > sound than it should be, but it just seems to entertain the Gaels in the
> > audience when it happens.
> >
> > We have a pretty broad-minded approach to song lyrics on our station, and
> > our listeners, ranging from very young to very old, have always been
> > supremely tolerant of occasional mistakes. But of course we do our utmost
> > to avoid offending anyone with inappropriate material. We do however take
> > a fairly relaxed attitude late in some late evening shows where listeners
> > can expect to hear lyrics that we wouldn't put in the breakfast show, and
> > these have never elicited any complaints.
> >
> > On the other hand, some of the most popular Highland singalong songs with
> > our family audiences contain the words 'bugger all' and 'bloody daft',
> > which though 'mild' by most media standards, still worry some presenters
> > for peak time listening, but we only ever get requests for them, not
> > complaints.
> >
> > But the biggest problem is avoiding accidental use of 'non radio edits'.
> > This has happened from time to time - eg the non-radio version of
> > Beautiful South "Don't marry her", or James Blunt "You're beautiful", both
> > of which sound sweetness and light until a very clearly emphasized word
> > unwelcome in a teatime show.
> >
> > There can also be problems with tracks that share the same name but very
> > different lyrics. The only case we have had that actually provoked a
> > listener complaint was a Gaelic-presented show in which they played a rap
> > track with some very unfortunate sexually and racially explicit lyrics, on
> > a Sunday morning! The two ladies presenting the show fortunately were
> > paying attention to the English lyrics. They pulled the track off pretty
> > smartly, and said it was not the one they were expecting - it had the same
> > name as another perfectly okay track which they had thought they were
> > playing. The listener who complained was a non-Gaelic speaker, and when we
> > explained what the presenters had said as they pulled the track off the
> > listener was satisfied that it was a simple mistake and didn't complain
> > any further.
> >
> > And of course, to many people other lyrics that are not 'rude' can be just
> > as offensive or hurtful. For example songs referring to fat girls can be
> > very offensive to the concerned parent of someone with an easting
> > disorder, and there are also songs that have sectarian connotations that
> > presenters may not be aware of.
> >
> > A veritable minefield, but we are blessed with a very understanding
> > audience who seem to realize we are doing our best with limited resources,
> > and accept the occasional snafu (oops).
> >
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Julian Mellor
> > To: Eddie Stuart
> > Cc: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......
> >
> >
> > Very well said Eddie.
> >
> >
> > Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre.
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:44:25 +0000
> > From: Andy King <andy.king at moorlandsradio.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] [comradio-l] Avoiding sexually-explicit songs
> > To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
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> >
> > Be careful of the song lyric websites! They quite often feature incomplete
> > sets of lyrics, and I've been caught out once or twice with the odd F and
> > B
> > that whoever posted the site didn't see fit to include.
> >
> > The only safe way, and sadly the most time-consuming, is to listen with a
> > finely tuned ear to each and every song.
> >
> > We had a version of Amy Winehouse - "Back to Black", with a subtle "d**k"
> > in the first line, which no one noticed until it was played just after her
> > death! Luckily, nothing came of it.
> >
> > Also, watch out when playing live versions of tracks. One of our
> > presenters
> > does this as a feature, and got caught out by Joss Stone introducing the
> > quite harmless "You Had Me" on stage with the words "this is a song about
> > a
> > bas***d!".
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Andrew David <adavid at lincoln.ac.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> ** ** **
> >>
> >> Dear All,****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> The mood of the Ofcom meeting was very clear - 'fess up to a problem and
> >> they'll be as helpful as possible, so long as you can show that you're
> >> trying to fix the issue and put robust but simple systems in place. It
> >> was
> >> interesting that the mainstream commercial and BBC representatives are
> >> also
> >> experiencing the same sorts of dilemmas that CR is facing. So, having
> >> paid
> >> people to check compliance of songs, doesn't always work.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Siren FM's policy (with a 9-24 year old focus in the KCs) is, LEGAL,
> >> DECENT and HONEST and for safety's sake we do not have a watershed. It's
> >> always (streaming) before 9.00pm somewhere.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> We have a Head of Music who does his level best either to only load Radio
> >> Edit tracks or to down load the song lyrics and check them through. This
> >> is time consuming and we're looking at ways of developing a team around
> >> him
> >> to divide this out to other volunteers. They will, of course, undergo
> >> relevant training.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Andrew****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *Andrew David*****
> >>
> >> *Managing Editor*****
> >>
> >> *Council Member for the Community Media Association (
> >> http://www.commedia.org.uk/)*****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> *SIREN FM** - simply the home of fantastic radio, just great music,
> >> enthusiastic presenters and the odd surprise or two!*****
> >>
> >> *www.sirenonline.co.uk* <http://www.sirenonline.co.uk/>****
> >>
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> >>
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
> >> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ian Hickling
> >> *Sent:* 31 October 2011 22:41
> >> *To:* **martin at martinsteers.co.uk**
> >> *Cc:* cma-l; comradio-l at commedia.org.uk
> >> *Subject:* [cma-l] Avoiding sexually-explicit songs****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Sorry Martin - and everyone else - but if, as you say, you haven't the
> >> the
> >> staff or volunteers to pre-check all music that's played, then you should
> >> simply not be using anything - or anyone - that you are not prepared to
> >> personally guarantee as socially acceptable.
> >>
> >> You are leaving yourself wide open to very serious social and
> >> litigious action and in my view you should not risk operating a
> >> freely-available public service under those conditions.
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------****
> >>
> >> *Ian Hickling
> >> **Partner*****
> >>
> >> *transplan UK*
> >>
> >>
> >> ****
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> From: **martin at martinsteers.co.uk**
> >> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:26:27 +0000
> >> To: ian at transplan.uk.com
> >> CC: cma-l at commedia.org.uk; comradio-l at commedia.org.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Radio stations to get new guidance on avoiding
> >> sexually explicit songs
> >>
> >> Ian / All, ****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> I think the guidance is a good thing, I dont under stand how any
> >> community
> >> station wouldnt want more guidance or support in what they are doing in
> >> any
> >> or all areas lol.. and these are for all broadcasters not just community,
> >> even commercial stations get in trouble over language..****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> What your suggesting is an interesting one, we have a playlist that
> >> certain shows have to follow and music on that is checked.. but even we
> >> dont have the staff or volunteers to pre check all music thats played, we
> >> train and advice volunteers and we hope for the best..****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Martin****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:****
> >>
> >> For Heaven's sake - how much molly-coddling do we need?
> >> The answer's simple.
> >> We don't need Government or Regulator guidance.
> >> Common sense and experience will tell a responsible Licensee what's
> >> permissible in Law and acceptable to the station's audience.
> >> Nothing is played or allowed on the playout system until it's been
> >> auditioned by the PC or equivalent.
> >> You do not let all and sundry play what they like.
> >> How hard can that be?
> >> ------------------------------------****
> >>
> >> *Ian Hickling
> >> **Partner*****
> >>
> >> *transplan UK*****
> >>
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> > From: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> >> > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:37:04 +0000
> >> > To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk; comradio-l at commedia.org.uk
> >> > Subject: [cma-l] The Guardian: Radio stations to get new guidance on
> >> avoiding sexually explicit songs
> >> >
> >> > Ben Dowell, guardian.co.uk, Monday 31 October 2011 12.18 GMT
> >> >
> >> > The BBC and commercial radio broadcasters will have to take more care
> >> > with sexually explicit music lyrics, particularly in songs by rap
> >> > artists, as part of a continuing crackdown by media regulator Ofcom on
> >> > content that is inappropriate for children.
> >> >
> >> > ****UK**** radio broadcasters are to be issued with new guidance by
> >> media
> >> > regulator Ofcom to address the problem of broadcasting sexually
> >> > explicit music lyrics at times when children are listening.
> >> >
> >> > Following a meeting last week between representatives from the
> >> > commercial sector as well as the BBC's editorial policy unit, Ofcom
> >> > has promised to issue new and detailed guidance by the end of the
> >> > year.
> >> >
> >> > Of particular concern to Ofcom are offensive music lyrics aired at
> >> > times in the morning and early evenings when children are often in the
> >> > cars with the radio on as they are being taken to and from school.
> >> >
> >> > This follows the issuing of stricter guidance to TV broadcasters last
> >> > month on airing such material before the 9pm watershed and signals a
> >> > growing desire by the regulator to combat the problem.
> >> >
> >> > Current rules enshrined in the Ofcom broadcasting code prohibit the
> >> > broadcast of inappropriate or offensive material when children may be
> >> > listening. But Ofcom says that the rules are flouted too often,
> >> > particularly in the playing of rap music and that it has run out of
> >> > patience.
> >> >
> >> > Among recent examples of breaches of these rules was the airing by
> >> > Scottish community radio station Brick FM of the song More Punany by
> >> > reggae artist Dr Evil at 3pm. It contained the lyrics "last night I
> >> > had a crazy threesome" and "I like to see the girls in the sexy bikini
> >> > ni ni/Want to take my chilli and push it between ni ni", as well as "I
> >> > like pun-na-na-na-ni even if it's a virgin".
> >> >
> >> > The broadcaster claimed that "punany" referred to a sandwich - a
> >> > panini, a claim that was roundly dismissed by the regulator, which
> >> > said it was slang for a woman's genitalia.
> >> >
> >> > In May Radio 1 broadcast an expletive-strewn concert by the band the
> >> > Black Eyed Peas at the station's Big Weekend event in **Carlisle**.
> >> During
> >> > the broadcast the lead singer shouted "What the fuck's going down" and
> >> > introduced their second song with the words "This song"s for all the
> >> > fucking crazy people".
> >> >
> >> > An Ofcom spokeswoman said: "Ofcom takes its role in protecting
> >> > children from offensive language on the radio very seriously. We are
> >> > concerned that there have been a number of recent cases where
> >> > offensive language was broadcast, some at times when children were
> >> > particularly likely to have been listening. That is why we held a
> >> > meeting with the radio industry this week to discuss the issues. We
> >> > intend to publish guidance by the end of the year to clarify the rules
> >> > in the broadcasting code."
> >> >
> >> > A BBC spokesman added: "The BBC, along with all radio broadcasters,
> >> > sent a representative to discuss the matter and, while we have had no
> >> > complaints upheld for bad language for more than three years, we will
> >> > work with Ofcom to ensure we continue to deal with language in a
> >> > responsible way."
> >> >
> >> > Source:
> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/oct/31/radio-stations-sexually-explicit-songs
> >> >
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