[cma-l] Making Media matter

Mon Nov 14 17:34:22 GMT 2011

>From  distance I have been tuning in to the Occupy London live stream, it is
a rich and varying mix of opinion, debate, singing, performance but they
need support, keeping it on air 14-16 hours a day

So I am writng this to appeal to the Community media community isn;t this
just the example of real broadcasting that we should be supporting?

If you can get down there, contact them- if a couple of people a day could
help with technical, media, content support.

The cause is challenging greed isn't that the heart of community?

Do what you can? What can CMA offer? MECCSA?

www.livestream.com/occupylsx

best to all

Roger Drury
SOUNDWORK Community Projects

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>   1. Re:  Sexually explicit songs and others...... (Eddie Stuart)
>   2. Re:  Sexually explicit songs and others...... (Two Lochs Radio)
>   3. Re:  [comradio-l]  Avoiding sexually-explicit songs (Andy King)
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> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:36:46 +0000
> From: Eddie Stuart <eddie at kcr.fm>
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......
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> Hmm - a Classic playlist, eh?
>
> This is from a 1948 song by Bull Moose Jackson which I wouldn't want to
> justify to any feminists.....
>
> I want a bow legged Woman that's all I want a bow legged Woman that's all
> I'll fall in love with Her right from the start Because her big fat Legs
> are so far apart I want a bow legged Woman right now I want to find me A
> gal somehow She's gotta be built like an ol' bass fiddle Big bow legs and
> a hole in the middle Gotta be on my way, To find a bow legged Woman today.
>
> Not a swear word in sight!
>
> Eddie
>
> On 01/11/2011 14:20, Julian Mellor wrote:
>> Very well said Eddie.
>>
>> Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre.  At face value the
>> word may be innocent, but to the attuned ear it could be very lude, rude
>> or even abusive.  And that gets even more complex when it's combined with
>> street slang (what was that word anyway?), or street slang from other
>> languages (there's an urban track I want to play from Marseille, sung in
>> a mixture of French and Algerian Arabic - can anyone translate to make
>> sure it's safe?).
>>
>> Maybe we should just keep safe and select only from the Classic Gold
>> playlist.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> On 1 Nov 2011, at 12:29, Eddie Stuart wrote:
>>
>>> It's not just explicit songs - I'd use the word "appropriate"
>>>
>>> I think that we'd all agree that the Glasgow station who tried to say
>>> that the Fword was every day speech and that panini didn't mean a
>>> certain body part was having a laugh and were rightly kicked.
>>>
>>> However, the danger is that we get knee-jerk reactions that have
>>> unintended consequences. Ban Eminem, but then you knock out the song
>>> that made Dido famous and is OK.
>>>
>>> You really need someone of the right age to vet a lot of rap and similar
>>> stuff - I am old enough to saythat I would have probably caught panini -
>>> especially given the words around it, but a lot of street slang is just
>>> way beyond my ken - both musically (?!!) and lyrically.
>>>
>>> We have a lot of Gaelic up here and a wonderful column in yesterdays
>>> Aberdeen Press & Journal commented on the ATM in East London using
>>> Cockney rhyming slang and asking why the Gaelic Mafia weren't agitating
>>> for their version up here. The columnist points out that in Gaelic
>>> rhyming slang a withdrawal would be a "cnap" - literally a lump of
>>> money, ie a wad of cash. Unfortunately for non-Gaels, the "n" is
>>> pronounced here as an "r" and would thus sound like the word that got
>>> Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" banned when it was first released.
>>>
>>> The English nickname "Bot" caused total hilarity with Gaelic speaking
>>> school kids in Stornoway many years ago as they couldn't believe that
>>> anyone, let alone a visiting Deputy Headmaster, was openly called
>>> "*rse".
>>>
>>> Eric Bogle, much loved as an artist by many of our older Presenters, has
>>> a song "Guns, Guns, Guns" which is a mickey take on the American way of
>>> life. The day after Dunblane or the recent Tomintoul Gamekeeper tragedy,
>>> many people and possibly Ofcom would probably regard that song as at
>>> least as inapproriate as the Fword!
>>>
>>> I wouldn't play "I Predict A Riot" the night that Tottenham burned and
>>> hope that everyone else was that sensible. But if you're using an
>>> automated playout system out of hours.....?? Do you watch the news and
>>> then quickly scan your entire music collection?
>>>
>>> So yes, you should certainly vet music and not load/play certain tracks.
>>> The Fword is an obvious one. But you also need to stress
>>> "appropriateness", not just a very narrow "explicit"
>>>
>>> You also need to accept that with the best will in the world, something
>>> will go wrong once in a while and have procedures in place to handle it.
>>> The Fword is easy, others become more subjective and station specific.
>>>
>>> That's my personal opinion, anyway.
>>>
>>> Must go now and finish my playlist for tonight - hmm, now which
>>> excellent track by my favourite female rock band Fanny shall we start
>>> with?
>>>
>>> Eddie
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry Martin - and everyone else - but if, as you say, you haven't the
>>>> the staff or volunteers to pre-check all music that's played, then you
>>>> should simply not be using anything - or anyone - that you are not
>>>> prepared to personally guarantee as socially acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> You are leaving yourself wide open to very serious social and litigious
>>>> action and in my view you should not risk operating a freely-available
>>>> public service under those conditions.
>>>>
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> From: "Two Lochs Radio" <tlr at gairloch.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......
> To: "Julian Mellor" <julian at 10radio.org>, "Eddie Stuart"
> <eddie at kcr.fm>
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> We have pondered similar questions with Gaelic, including the reverse of
> the situation Eddie describes - there are perfectly common, decent Gaelic
> words that sound like unnacceptable words in English and can make a
> Station Manager prick up his ears (oops) as they go by.
>
> We also have the problem that a Gaelic word frequently needing to be
> spoken by non-Gaelic speaking presenters (reading news or what's on items)
> is a lewd word in Gaelic when pronounced with a slightly shorter vowel
> sound than it should be, but it just seems to entertain the Gaels in the
> audience when it happens.
>
> We have a pretty broad-minded approach to song lyrics on our station, and
> our listeners, ranging from very young to very old, have always been
> supremely tolerant of occasional mistakes. But of course we do our utmost
> to avoid offending anyone with inappropriate material. We do however take
> a fairly relaxed attitude late in some late evening shows where listeners
> can expect to hear lyrics that we wouldn't put in the breakfast show, and
> these have never elicited any complaints.
>
> On the other hand, some of the most popular Highland singalong songs with
> our family audiences contain the words 'bugger all' and 'bloody daft',
> which though 'mild' by most media standards, still worry some presenters
> for peak time listening, but we only ever get requests for them, not
> complaints.
>
> But the biggest problem is avoiding accidental use of 'non radio edits'.
> This has happened from time to time - eg the non-radio version of
> Beautiful South "Don't marry her", or James Blunt "You're beautiful", both
> of which sound sweetness and light until a very clearly emphasized word
> unwelcome in a teatime show.
>
> There can also be problems with tracks that share the same name but very
> different lyrics. The only case we have had that actually provoked a
> listener complaint was a Gaelic-presented show in which they played a rap
> track with some very unfortunate sexually and racially explicit lyrics, on
> a Sunday morning! The two ladies presenting the show fortunately were
> paying attention to the English lyrics. They pulled the track off pretty
> smartly, and said it was not the one they were expecting - it had the same
> name as another perfectly okay track which they had thought they were
> playing. The listener who complained was a non-Gaelic speaker, and when we
> explained what the presenters had said as they pulled the track off the
> listener was satisfied that it was a simple mistake and didn't complain
> any further.
>
> And of course, to many people other lyrics that are not 'rude' can be just
> as offensive or hurtful. For example songs referring to fat girls can be
> very offensive to the concerned parent of someone with an easting
> disorder, and there are also songs that have sectarian connotations that
> presenters may not be aware of.
>
> A veritable minefield, but we are blessed with a very understanding
> audience who seem to realize we are doing our best with limited resources,
> and accept the occasional snafu (oops).
>
> Alex
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>  From: Julian Mellor
>  To: Eddie Stuart
>  Cc: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:20 PM
>  Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......
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>
>  Very well said Eddie.
>
>
>  Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre.
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> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:44:25 +0000
> From: Andy King <andy.king at moorlandsradio.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] [comradio-l]  Avoiding sexually-explicit songs
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> Be careful of the song lyric websites! They quite often feature incomplete
> sets of lyrics, and I've been caught out once or twice with the odd F and
> B
> that whoever posted the site didn't see fit to include.
>
> The only safe way, and sadly the most time-consuming, is to listen with a
> finely tuned ear to each and every song.
>
> We had a version of Amy Winehouse - "Back to Black", with a subtle "d**k"
> in the first line, which no one noticed until it was played just after her
> death! Luckily, nothing came of it.
>
> Also, watch out when playing live versions of tracks. One of our
> presenters
> does this as a feature, and got caught out by Joss Stone introducing the
> quite harmless "You Had Me" on stage with the words "this is a song about
> a
> bas***d!".
>
> Andy
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Andrew David <adavid at lincoln.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> ** ** **
>>
>> Dear All,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The mood of the Ofcom meeting was very clear - 'fess up to a problem and
>> they'll be as helpful as possible, so long as you can show that you're
>> trying to fix the issue and put robust but simple systems in place.  It
>> was
>> interesting that the mainstream commercial and BBC representatives are
>> also
>> experiencing the same sorts of dilemmas that CR is facing.  So, having
>> paid
>> people to check compliance of songs, doesn't always work.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Siren FM's policy (with a 9-24 year old focus in the KCs) is, LEGAL,
>> DECENT and HONEST and for safety's sake we do not have a watershed.  It's
>> always (streaming) before 9.00pm somewhere.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> We have a Head of Music who does his level best either to only load Radio
>> Edit tracks or to down load the song lyrics and check them through.  This
>> is time consuming and we're looking at ways of developing a team around
>> him
>> to divide this out to other volunteers.  They will, of course, undergo
>> relevant training.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Andrew****
>>
>> ** **
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>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
>> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ian Hickling
>> *Sent:* 31 October 2011 22:41
>> *To:* **martin at martinsteers.co.uk**
>> *Cc:* cma-l; comradio-l at commedia.org.uk
>> *Subject:* [cma-l] Avoiding sexually-explicit songs****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> Sorry Martin - and everyone else - but if, as you say, you haven't the
>> the
>> staff or volunteers to pre-check all music that's played, then you should
>> simply not be using anything - or anyone - that you are not prepared to
>> personally guarantee as socially acceptable.
>>
>> You are leaving yourself wide open to very serious social and
>> litigious action and in my view you should not risk operating a
>> freely-available public service under those conditions.
>>
>> ------------------------------------****
>>
>> *Ian Hickling
>> **Partner*****
>>
>> *transplan UK*
>>
>>
>>   ****
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> From: **martin at martinsteers.co.uk**
>> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:26:27 +0000
>> To: ian at transplan.uk.com
>> CC: cma-l at commedia.org.uk; comradio-l at commedia.org.uk
>> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Radio stations to get new guidance on avoiding
>> sexually explicit songs
>>
>> Ian / All, ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I think the guidance is a good thing, I dont under stand how any
>> community
>> station wouldnt want more guidance or support in what they are doing in
>> any
>> or all areas lol.. and these are for all broadcasters not just community,
>> even commercial stations get in trouble over language..****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What your suggesting is an interesting one, we have a playlist that
>> certain shows have to follow and music on that is checked.. but even we
>> dont have the staff or volunteers to pre check all music thats played, we
>> train and advice volunteers and we hope for the best..****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Martin****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>>   For Heaven's sake - how much molly-coddling do we need?
>> The answer's simple.
>> We don't need Government or Regulator guidance.
>> Common sense and experience will tell a responsible Licensee what's
>> permissible in Law and acceptable to the station's audience.
>> Nothing is played or allowed on the playout system until it's been
>> auditioned by the PC or equivalent.
>> You do not let all and sundry play what they like.
>> How hard can that be?
>> ------------------------------------****
>>
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>> **Partner*****
>>
>> *transplan UK*****
>>
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> > From: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
>> > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:37:04 +0000
>> > To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk; comradio-l at commedia.org.uk
>> > Subject: [cma-l] The Guardian: Radio stations to get new guidance on
>> avoiding sexually explicit songs
>> >
>> > Ben Dowell, guardian.co.uk, Monday 31 October 2011 12.18 GMT
>> >
>> > The BBC and commercial radio broadcasters will have to take more care
>> > with sexually explicit music lyrics, particularly in songs by rap
>> > artists, as part of a continuing crackdown by media regulator Ofcom on
>> > content that is inappropriate for children.
>> >
>> > ****UK**** radio broadcasters are to be issued with new guidance by
>> media
>> > regulator Ofcom to address the problem of broadcasting sexually
>> > explicit music lyrics at times when children are listening.
>> >
>> > Following a meeting last week between representatives from the
>> > commercial sector as well as the BBC's editorial policy unit, Ofcom
>> > has promised to issue new and detailed guidance by the end of the
>> > year.
>> >
>> > Of particular concern to Ofcom are offensive music lyrics aired at
>> > times in the morning and early evenings when children are often in the
>> > cars with the radio on as they are being taken to and from school.
>> >
>> > This follows the issuing of stricter guidance to TV broadcasters last
>> > month on airing such material before the 9pm watershed and signals a
>> > growing desire by the regulator to combat the problem.
>> >
>> > Current rules enshrined in the Ofcom broadcasting code prohibit the
>> > broadcast of inappropriate or offensive material when children may be
>> > listening. But Ofcom says that the rules are flouted too often,
>> > particularly in the playing of rap music and that it has run out of
>> > patience.
>> >
>> > Among recent examples of breaches of these rules was the airing by
>> > Scottish community radio station Brick FM of the song More Punany by
>> > reggae artist Dr Evil at 3pm. It contained the lyrics "last night I
>> > had a crazy threesome" and "I like to see the girls in the sexy bikini
>> > ni ni/Want to take my chilli and push it between ni ni", as well as "I
>> > like pun-na-na-na-ni even if it's a virgin".
>> >
>> > The broadcaster claimed that "punany" referred to a sandwich - a
>> > panini, a claim that was roundly dismissed by the regulator, which
>> > said it was slang for a woman's genitalia.
>> >
>> > In May Radio 1 broadcast an expletive-strewn concert by the band the
>> > Black Eyed Peas at the station's Big Weekend event in **Carlisle**.
>> During
>> > the broadcast the lead singer shouted "What the fuck's going down" and
>> > introduced their second song with the words "This song"s for all the
>> > fucking crazy people".
>> >
>> > An Ofcom spokeswoman said: "Ofcom takes its role in protecting
>> > children from offensive language on the radio very seriously. We are
>> > concerned that there have been a number of recent cases where
>> > offensive language was broadcast, some at times when children were
>> > particularly likely to have been listening. That is why we held a
>> > meeting with the radio industry this week to discuss the issues. We
>> > intend to publish guidance by the end of the year to clarify the rules
>> > in the broadcasting code."
>> >
>> > A BBC spokesman added: "The BBC, along with all radio broadcasters,
>> > sent a representative to discuss the matter and, while we have had no
>> > complaints upheld for bad language for more than three years, we will
>> > work with Ofcom to ensure we continue to deal with language in a
>> > responsible way."
>> >
>> > Source:
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/oct/31/radio-stations-sexually-explicit-songs
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