[cma-l] prs / ppl / copyright

Martin Steers martin at martinsteers.co.uk
Thu Aug 4 13:41:06 BST 2011 

hiya,

This seems to have been separated off into threads, but i do agree with nick
to a certain extent. If your using music for a completely not for profit way
(at least in radio) then I dont see why stations should have to pay, or at
least as much as they have to.. It also seems to be very black and white
with not variation, and I can understand some peoples and stations
frustratation if they play alot of unsigned or locally based artists (and
maybe the only station doing it) yet are paying the same as a station up the
road doing something completely different. Frustrated more by the fact that
their local artists are not getting anything money wise..

Also its got to be noted that without radio a lot of these artists wouldnt
be anywhere or not as popular as they are, so nicks right that in some
respect we should call it evens with the level or promotion that radio give
to artists and tracks..

Thats radio at least, remember that the whole thing is alot bigger as PRS
and PPL et al, cover everything from telephone hold music to music
festivals, and they are doing that all on behalf of the writer, the music
label and the actual artist (who I think gets the least out of them all)...

What we need to do as a sector (and maybe even draw in the Student and
Hospital lot as well) it to lobby these organisations to drive costs down or
at the very least keep them as low as possible. Thats what the commercial
radio lot are doing through organisations like the radio centre...

Or lets all get behind Trevor and set up our own agency with contracts with
the record labels etc.. Trevor you would have my full support and backing,
but it would be hard. (Also correct me if I am wrong but I dont think the
BBC goes anywhere near PPL or PRS as I think they have their own agreements
with the record labels).. If thats the case why not ask the BBC to cover all
our music as well? lol (Wishful thinking!)

Martin

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Martin Shields <
martincamglen at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> Sorry to be so blunt, but as with most of your posts, you only see things
> from your perspective. (why wouldn't you really)
>
> As someone who works in community radio and attempts to be an 'artist' I
> can see both sides. It's sometimes nice to see both sides because you end up
> passing off less of your opinions as 'facts'.
>
> I agree that the laws(made by the government) surrounding copyright are
> perhaps punishing the innocent, upstanding members of the public, however,
> they do enough to scare a lot of people off potential illegal activity in
> terms of ripping music, and believe me, there are a hell of a lot of people
> who flout these rules anyway so any deterant is a welcome one.
>
> I'd love to hear a suggestion from anyone that would protect the artist and
> the radio station or home user, it's a tricky one don't you think?
>
> Contrary to your outburst about artists wanting their cake and eating it,
> we just want to eat. Full stop. The work that PRS for music do to support
> artists cannot be understood until you are on that side of the fence. You
> say money making racket, I say an organisation helping artists get what they
> deserve for their hard work, determination and talent.
>
> As an experiment you should only play royalty free music for a week,
> backing it up wherever you please, and see what your listeners and
> volunteers feedback is like.
>
> Martin.
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Office - ccr-fm <office at ccr-fm.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>  Dear All****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I ain’t getting embroiled in the rights and wrongs and too-ings and
>> fro-ings of copyright ………. I don’t understand it ?         L****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What I do know though is this ………  it’s a money making racket and a sham.
>> The Law should be against people who use the music for financial profitable
>> gain, whilst at the same time not paying for it.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If Fred Bloggs the songwriter, writes a song and Engelbert Humperdinck
>> wishes to release it as a potential hit ……… then Mr Hump’ pays that guy his
>> dues ….. he then releases it through the usual channels (record companies,
>> publishers etc)           and hopefully sells the song.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If I like it ………… I buy it, if I don’t like it, I don’t buy it ………………………
>> once I give him the money and buy it, it then belongs to me. I can do what
>> the hell I want with it …. Play it, dance on it, sit on it, use it as a
>> plate, a bird scarer, a frisbee ……………… as long as I have purchased it and
>> not RIPPED IT OFF / STOLEN IT, then I see no legalities to be had !****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If he and Elton John, Sting, Paul Weller, Robbie Williams song writer
>> don’t want me to use it ……….. don’t sell it me, don’t bother writing the
>> song in the first place, in fact, simply go and work in M&S and do something
>> different.****
>>
>> But alas ……. They don’t do this, they want their cake and eat it.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Furthermore ……  this business of a retrieval system or re-recording on a
>> database … most of it is done to save what the customer / purchaser has,
>> so’s not to lose it, and not for sinister reasons. THEY actually want you to
>> only have one copy, spill tea on it and then go and buy it again.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I apologise for writing in such a dire way, but these ladies and gentlemen
>> are the facts …………. It’s a money making racket !                     then
>> you get the leaches and parasites jumping on the bandwaggon who are also
>> after a butty or two.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The whole thing is a bleedin’ joke but well thought out by    whoever
>> ?       back in the 1930’s****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The music is put up for market, someone buys it ……….. no crime there ………
>> they play it ……….. no crime there either …………. However, this is the crux of
>> the matter****
>>
>> If it is played to an audience for financial gain, then perhaps there is a
>> case for a little tickle. If it is stored or played out to individuals /
>> people for NO financial gain, then there is no crime either.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The crime is in the theft.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Community Radio buys the music / or gets promos. We play it not for
>> financial gain (NO PROFITS) (read the rules)    we store it, because we have
>> to or else we can’t do what we do ……..    WE PROMOTE IT****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> They should be bloody paying us !    not us paying them              or at
>> least call it quits****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It’s pathetic****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> A money making racket                   be told !****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Nick****
>>
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