hiya,<div><br></div><div>This seems to have been separated off into threads, but i do agree with nick to a certain extent. If your using music for a completely not for profit way (at least in radio) then I dont see why stations should have to pay, or at least as much as they have to.. It also seems to be very black and white with not variation, and I can understand some peoples and stations frustratation if they play alot of unsigned or locally based artists (and maybe the only station doing it) yet are paying the same as a station up the road doing something completely different. Frustrated more by the fact that their local artists are not getting anything money wise..</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also its got to be noted that without radio a lot of these artists wouldnt be anywhere or not as popular as they are, so nicks right that in some respect we should call it evens with the level or promotion that radio give to artists and tracks..</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thats radio at least, remember that the whole thing is alot bigger as PRS and PPL et al, cover everything from telephone hold music to music festivals, and they are doing that all on behalf of the writer, the music label and the actual artist (who I think gets the least out of them all)...</div>
<div><br></div><div>What we need to do as a sector (and maybe even draw in the Student and Hospital lot as well) it to lobby these organisations to drive costs down or at the very least keep them as low as possible. Thats what the commercial radio lot are doing through organisations like the radio centre...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Or lets all get behind Trevor and set up our own agency with contracts with the record labels etc.. Trevor you would have my full support and backing, but it would be hard. (Also correct me if I am wrong but I dont think the BBC goes anywhere near PPL or PRS as I think they have their own agreements with the record labels).. If thats the case why not ask the BBC to cover all our music as well? lol (Wishful thinking!)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Martin</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Martin Shields <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martincamglen@googlemail.com">martincamglen@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi Nick,<div><br></div><div>Sorry to be so blunt, but as with most of your posts, you only see things from your perspective. (why wouldn't you really)</div>
<div><br></div><div>As someone who works in community radio and attempts to be an 'artist' I can see both sides. It's sometimes nice to see both sides because you end up passing off less of your opinions as 'facts'.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I agree that the laws(made by the government) surrounding copyright are perhaps punishing the innocent, upstanding members of the public, however, they do enough to scare a lot of people off potential illegal activity in terms of ripping music, and believe me, there are a hell of a lot of people who flout these rules anyway so any deterant is a welcome one. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'd love to hear a suggestion from anyone that would protect the artist and the radio station or home user, it's a tricky one don't you think?</div><div><br></div><div>Contrary to your outburst about artists wanting their cake and eating it, we just want to eat. Full stop. The work that PRS for music do to support artists cannot be understood until you are on that side of the fence. You say money making racket, I say an organisation helping artists get what they deserve for their hard work, determination and talent. </div>
<div><br></div><div>As an experiment you should only play royalty free music for a week, backing it up wherever you please, and see what your listeners and volunteers feedback is like.</div><div><br></div><div>Martin.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Office - ccr-fm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk" target="_blank">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Dear All<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I ain’t getting embroiled in the rights and wrongs and
too-ings and fro-ings of copyright ………. I don’t
understand it ? </span></font><font size="2" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">L</span></font><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">What I do know though is this ……… it’s
a money making racket and a sham. The Law should be against people who use the
music for financial profitable gain, whilst at the same time not paying for it.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">If Fred Bloggs the songwriter, writes a song and Engelbert
Humperdinck wishes to release it as a potential hit ……… then
Mr Hump’ pays that guy his dues ….. he then releases it through the
usual channels (record companies, publishers
etc) and hopefully
sells the song.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">If I like it ………… I buy it, if I don’t
like it, I don’t buy it ………………………
once I give him the money and buy it, it then belongs to me. I can do what the
hell I want with it …. Play it, dance on it, sit on it, use it as a
plate, a bird scarer, a frisbee ……………… as
long as I have purchased it and not RIPPED IT OFF / STOLEN IT, then I see no
legalities to be had !<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">If he and Elton John, Sting, Paul Weller, Robbie Williams
song writer don’t want me to use it ……….. don’t
sell it me, don’t bother writing the song in the first place, in fact,
simply go and work in M&S and do something different.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">But alas ……. They don’t do this, they want
their cake and eat it.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Furthermore …… this business of a
retrieval system or re-recording on a database … most of it is done to
save what the customer / purchaser has, so’s not to lose it, and not for
sinister reasons. THEY actually want you to only have one copy, spill tea on it
and then go and buy it again.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I apologise for writing in such a dire way, but these ladies
and gentlemen are the facts …………. It’s a money
making racket
!
then you get the leaches and parasites jumping on the bandwaggon who are also
after a butty or two.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">The whole thing is a bleedin’ joke but well thought
out by whoever ? back in
the 1930’s<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">The music is put up for market, someone buys it ………..
no crime there ……… they play it ……….. no
crime there either …………. However, this is the crux of
the matter<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">If it is played to an audience for financial gain, then
perhaps there is a case for a little tickle. If it is stored or played out to
individuals / people for NO financial gain, then there is no crime either.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">The crime is in the theft.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Community Radio buys the music / or gets promos. We play it
not for financial gain (NO PROFITS) (read the rules) we store
it, because we have to or else we can’t do what we do ……..
WE PROMOTE IT<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">They should be bloody paying us ! not us
paying
them
or at least call it quits<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">It’s pathetic<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">A money making
racket
be told !<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Nick<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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