[cma-l] Organising Funding
Ian Hickling
transplanfm at hotmail.com
Mon May 17 13:38:57 BST 2010
Peter
I'm sorry if I appear to have been rude about "Academics"!
You have a good point there that I would positively support.
There appears to be no central reference point for, or organisation of, funding for Community Media - and certainly not for Radio.
Some CR operators in some areas seem to have got the bit between their teeth, but most are struggling - some even floundering.
There also needs to be some positive guidance as to how to balance off funding and advertising/sponsorship and how to get the best out of the "get-out clauses" that exist.
That together with contined lobbying of the Goverment for relaxation of Ofcom's rules on the structuring of commercial revenues.
Ian Hickling
Partner
transplan UK
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:36:31 +0100
> From: p.lewis at londonmet.ac.uk
> To: marilyn at northernvisions.org
> CC: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Frustrated campaigning
>
> Dear all
>
> The 'Sunday discussion' connects with an idea that I've been mulling
> over. I should explain that I am an 'academic' as well as having been a
> member of the CMA for years - and before that a founding member of its
> predecessor the Community Communications Group at a time when I was a
> practitioner (community TV). There are not many of us in the media
> studies departments of colleges and universities who are interested in
> community media, but, Mark Polden, we could play a part in helping
> getting community media properly recognised and funded.
>
> That's because our job includes research - something you guys have
> little time to do - and research can cover a multitude of activities. A
> great job is being done in Sheffield collecting info about funding
> sources. I would like to combine this with a mapping exercise which
> helps us (CMA members) see what the the needs and opportunities
> (political, funding) are in different regions.
>
> I hope to talk to Jaqui about this soon. Meanwhile what do you think?
>
> Peter M. Lewis
> Senior Lecturer in Community Media
> Department of Applied Social Sciences
> London Metropolitan University
> Ladbroke House
> 62-66 Highbury Grove
> London N5 2AD
>
> http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/depts/dass/staff/peterlewis/
>
>
>
> Marilyn Hyndman wrote:
> > Someone probably needs to do a mapping exercise across UK, I am sure
> > there are all sorts of anomalies re decentralised government, maybe look
> > at the organisations it is crucial to lobby and pin point where they are
> > on regional basis? We are only using Arts Council as an example... Film
> > Lottery, isn't that more centralised through Film Council, we have
> > different economic development boards here to what is in England too? I
> > can't really answer this one as I don't know enough about the
> > infrastructure in England.
> >
> > Yes, we do need to look at networking for local television but there may
> > be a case for local radio as well... do community radio stations want to
> > share some programming on a network basis? Decent funds could make this
> > a possibility? What could that programming be? Ad hoc basis for radio a
> > result of struggling to survive? What do the radio folks think?
> >
> > All the best,
> > Marilyn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16 May 2010, at 17:50, Dave Rushton wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Phil
> >>
> >> Yes to sectoral identity - but you reminding radio folk its 'community
> >> media' not just 'community radio' (changed in 1996 I think) misses the
> >> structural difference of approach as well as thinking: radio has
> >> adopted an ad hoc approach whereas fTV seeks a universal network
> >> solution.
> >>
> >> For TV too the Ofcom PSB agenda beyond London has now become 'nations,
> >> regions and localities' - and localities includes print as well as
> >> Internet - the new collectivism is local public service/purpose media.
> >>
> >> I recall a very short-lived attempt to include community print with TV
> >> when 'media' emerged to replace 'radio'. Somehow the Internet was
> >> bundled into media without much thought (It appealed to some
> >> technophiles in CMA) - but micro-newspapers, why are they not included?
> >>
> >> Also its not just a need to address in terms of a devolved Arts
> >> Council scale - but to be at forefront of de-centralisaed government
> >> and regulation - subsidiarity as well as devolution for local and
> >> community media.
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> On 16 May 2010, at 13:38, Phil Shep wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Marilyn
> >>>
> >>> Your input is always so on the money for me, I wish there were more
> >>> opportunities to thrash all this stuff out. A pro active approach
> >>> where we bring the funders to the strength of our idea rather than
> >>> waiting for the next twist in the policy road would be great. And yes
> >>> let's look at how we follow things up, mobilise support when the
> >>> issues and opportunities arise, there is a tie in to regional
> >>> structure there, once we know when and where the agm is - the detail
> >>> of which is itself contingent on available resources - let's support
> >>> Jaqui in creating an agenda which really gets to the nub of this (
> >>> not that Jaqui won't anyway be doing just that!) and set a course for
> >>> future which everyone can get behind and contribute to...
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes
> >>>
> >>> Phil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 16 May 2010, at 13:14, Marilyn Hyndman
> >>> <marilyn at northernvisions.org <mailto:marilyn at northernvisions.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Phil,
> >>>>
> >>>> Not suggesting that nothing is being done.. I have also been to
> >>>> meetings and been promised that various things will be considered, I
> >>>> guess many of us have, I understand how frustrating all of this is
> >>>> and I know it often comes down to a few groups/individuals in a
> >>>> sector to keep the torch alight, more is the pity.
> >>>>
> >>>> .....what I am trying to get at is how to make this process better.
> >>>> For example, with Lottery, should there not have been an immediate
> >>>> protest by the sector ... maybe there was an equality issue here,
> >>>> other forms of activity/sectors are recognised... first I have heard
> >>>> of all of this, always thought nothing had been done, perhaps that
> >>>> is my fault and I didn't read the emails.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, process ... how is everything followed up, should there be an
> >>>> automatic call on the sector, a rallying of the troops once a
> >>>> decision has been made by some quango we are all beholden to?
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure about these bids like EQUAL either, always contorting to
> >>>> someone else's misconceived view of the world. Should we not be
> >>>> pro-active and propose our own large scale project and then look for
> >>>> a cocktail of funders? Perhaps that is where your regional idea can
> >>>> come in?
> >>>>
> >>>> But nothing less than several £million as a target.....?
> >>>>
> >>>> All the best,
> >>>> Marilyn
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 16 May 2010, at 12:55, Phil Shep wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Marilyn
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We did approach Lottery about three years ago arguing for a
> >>>>> dedicated funding stream for community media. I met the head of Big
> >>>>> lottery to that effect and was promised that it would be considered
> >>>>> in what is now their recent review. Nothing came of that. All these
> >>>>> initiatives - as we know from the local TV campaign - require
> >>>>> concerted and long term input to stand any chance of success.
> >>>>> Digital switchover is another and again it's not that nothing's
> >>>>> being done, but arguably as much as is feasible with limited capacity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How to increase capacity? It's argued by some that CMA should focus
> >>>>> more on large scale funding bids like Equal of old. They are of
> >>>>> course very time consuming and success uncertain at best. We do
> >>>>> have several financial irons in the fire right now which if
> >>>>> succesful wll free up time to add strength to the policy arguments
> >>>>> we are making. Yes community media does need to become recognised
> >>>>> as a legitimate sector in it's own right and from my experience bit
> >>>>> by bit that is becoming the case. It's nowhere near fast enough,
> >>>>> it's not teanslating into pund notes and progress is patchy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Incidentally and to answer another point raised in the list today
> >>>>> academic support is critical to that profile raising - vital to
> >>>>> being taken seriously in the wider world. We welcome that input to
> >>>>> Council.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best wishes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Phil
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 16 May 2010, at 12:25, Marilyn Hyndman <
> >>>>> <mailto:marilyn at northernvisions.org>marilyn at northernvisions.org
> >>>>> <mailto:marilyn at northernvisions.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Phil,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Perhaps it might be easier to gauge if there was a breakdown of
> >>>>>> what is happening in each 'region' already.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can see how strategic alliances could be formed to lobby
> >>>>>> regional bodies, arts councils, screen commissions, economic
> >>>>>> development bodies etc, those bodies that have a regional or
> >>>>>> nation set up but there are hidden dangers in this because what
> >>>>>> you really need is a national (UK) recognition of the importance
> >>>>>> of community media... these bodies all have differing policies and
> >>>>>> criteria already, none of this is uniform when it comes to
> >>>>>> community media and quite a lot of times community media does not
> >>>>>> figure in any of this, and/or is not understood very well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does community media not need to be accepted as an 'activity',
> >>>>>> 'sector' call it what you will, the same way independent film or
> >>>>>> literature or drama or even community development is and with a
> >>>>>> funding stream, preferably a dedicated funding stream.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One area we have plugged for a long time is Lottery but no one in
> >>>>>> CMA has thought it important to take up. A unified policy and
> >>>>>> criteria with Lottery for community media as a good cause would
> >>>>>> help, similarly with Skillset, Arts Councils, economic development
> >>>>>> boards ... though easier if this was agreed with DCMS and filtered
> >>>>>> down to these bodies as a directive rather than a massive
> >>>>>> undertaking by a sector lobbying in their own areas and already
> >>>>>> under pressure?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The other area is the Digital Switchover fund ... again surely
> >>>>>> best done on a UK basis? Where is the strategy on this, does this
> >>>>>> not need to be sorted pretty sharply?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All the best,
> >>>>>> Marilyn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 16 May 2010, at 12:02, Phil Shep wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Marilyn
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I take your point and like the idea of communitiesof interest. I
> >>>>>>> think the regional thing I'd important too though -when regional
> >>>>>>> events have occasionally taken place they have always proved
> >>>>>>> valuable - asides and information exchanges, as sources of
> >>>>>>> inspiration for the embattled - inculcating a sense of engagement
> >>>>>>> and ownership which us important in a membership organisation. I
> >>>>>>> think this feeds back to the centre too, active support on the
> >>>>>>> ground manifesting for example through joined up approaches to
> >>>>>>> MPs surgeries etc. It's about the local agenda too, not just
> >>>>>>> because our new gov tkd about it but because it has to be the
> >>>>>>> future surely.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's not an either / or - communities of interest would certainly
> >>>>>>> be good.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Phil
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 16 May 2010, at 11:02, Marilyn Hyndman <
> >>>>>>> <mailto:marilyn at northernvisions.org>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:marilyn at northernvisions.org>marilyn at northernvisions.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:marilyn at northernvisions.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Whilst regional and local strategy is important, the CMA is a UK
> >>>>>>>> organisation and is it not the strategic development between
> >>>>>>>> government and organisations nationally which has stalled and
> >>>>>>>> caused so much frustration?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Would it not be better for us all to understand why that is and
> >>>>>>>> if anything could be done better ..... before going off in other
> >>>>>>>> directions which may lead us up blind alleys?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For example, how do regional strategies key into the big picture
> >>>>>>>> if the big picture is not understood or is failing?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> All you would be doing in that scenario is adding another layer
> >>>>>>>> of frustration as the centre fails to deliver with far more
> >>>>>>>> chance that the sector will fracture?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I wonder if it would not be better to have communities of
> >>>>>>>> interest rather than a regional structure which given the nature
> >>>>>>>> of the sector will surely be very uneven across the country.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Groupings which take up issues important for the whole UK sector
> >>>>>>>> and put their energies into that?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> M
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 15 May 2010, at 09:51, Phil Shep wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There has long been a need for more joined up regional
> >>>>>>>>>>> working within CMA and this fact has not been lost on staff
> >>>>>>>>>>> and council. Our great frustration in recent years has been a
> >>>>>>>>>>> lack of capacity to do more to make this happen on the
> >>>>>>>>>>> ground. Jaqui and the team go well beyond the call of duty on
> >>>>>>>>>>> a daily basis to hold the line for the sector, to make sure
> >>>>>>>>>>> we are represented at the key conversations, to provide the
> >>>>>>>>>>> tech and information support which is so useful to us all.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But holding the line is necessarily where we have been at for
> >>>>>>>>>>> quite a while and as a sector we need to look at how we can
> >>>>>>>>>>> work more effectively together to addresss this - and for me
> >>>>>>>>>>> the key is in regional working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Again, capacity rears its head - yes we're all busy - but
> >>>>>>>>>>> also at times we are short-sighted when we build alliances
> >>>>>>>>>>> with others and fail to key in our collective strength to the
> >>>>>>>>>>> bigger picture .
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As has been observed, there is too often a disconnect between
> >>>>>>>>>>> the passionate ideas expressed and the ability of the tiny
> >>>>>>>>>>> over- stretched core to follow up the ideas - the ones
> >>>>>>>>>>> couched in reality at least! If we were meeting regularly at
> >>>>>>>>>>> a regional level we could do much more to mobilise grass
> >>>>>>>>>>> roots campaigning.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Just here in Somerset we have at least six CR stations and
> >>>>>>>>>>> other CM projects within a fifty mile radius and while there
> >>>>>>>>>>> is at times I know, good and positive communication flowing
> >>>>>>>>>>> between projects this rarely translates into joined up
> >>>>>>>>>>> campaigns which key into the bigger picture. Let's really
> >>>>>>>>>>> tackle this one at the AGM this year - it's overdue and would
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think obviate some of the frustrations expressed recently
> >>>>>>>>>>> on this list. I've got a year left at most as Chair and
> >>>>>>>>>>> would like to to do as much as possible in that time to put
> >>>>>>>>>>> the beginnings of a working regional structure in place.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And yes to echo others, if you've got time and energy to
> >>>>>>>>>>> give,please do consider standing for council. We need all
> >>>>>>>>>>> the expertise and energy we can muster to help take us all
> >>>>>>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Phil
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chair of Council
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Marilyn Hyndman
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> >>>>>> Belfast
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Marilyn Hyndman
> >>>> Northern Visions/NvTv
> >>>> 23 Donegall Street
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> >>>>
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