[cma-l] Community Radio Future In Doubt?
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Sun Dec 12 12:37:24 GMT 2010
Mark n’ all
Quick observation yet again. Agreed
.. internet in cars
wow !” wee
!’’
and then bye bye blackbird / good night Vienna for the baffoons. You
know who I mean. They’re not particularly good at radio but they’re very
good at moving the goalposts.
DAB
. Totally not interested
. Absolutely pointless for what we guys
are trying to achieve. All we need is the big apes moving onto a band that
they can afford (and possibly get help with) so that the lttle monkeys (us)
can play around and swing on the FM tyres ! oh and !!!!
chuck us a few decent sized bananas from the community radio banana fund
(fair trade and all that jazz)
All we need is a decent TSA ! The MCA is adequate, as for the
TSA it’s about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. You travel 1 mile
down the road outside of our pathetic 5km zone and get Key 103 comin’ over
the top. Our good pals up in Chorley get interference (a bit) from us and us
likewise from them.
I accept that at present it is difficult, and Ofcom have done very well in
finding frequences
. I still find it astonishing that (for example)
if Chorley went up to 50watts and we did likewise
.. everything would be
even stevens but at least we’d be able to fend off the orang-utans.
Anyway
no doubt it will all come out in the wash
. Keep on rockin’
! and keep on campaigning for bigger bananas ! although, I do
believe monkeys like peanuts, and that’s what we’ve got at the moment !
Monkeeeeee magic !
Regards
Nick (Cheetah)
Merry Christmas to all
.
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[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of mark polden
Sent: 10 December 2010 21:00
To: alan.coote at btinternet.com; transplanfm at hotmail.com; CMA-L
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Future In Doubt?
I do agree with Alan
They are trying to keep the cat in the bag, as soon as internet radio is
available in cars the commercial radio industry will inevitably die because
it will be an open field.
Advertisers will stop advertising because listeners will be able to listen
to anything
The problems with community radio on DAB are twofold
1. The DAB concept is flawed in that it has inserted a supplier in the
broadcast chain, and that supplier inevitably wants to make a shit load of
money. Last month we were asked if we were interested in going on DAB but
the cost was going to be £60k ish. If DRM were used individual then
individual stations could have their own transmitters at minimal cost.
2. All the current multiplexes that I know of are regional, not designed for
local areas. The multiplex we were invited for is for North Wales, North
Cheshire and Merseyside. That would never be any use for any normal
community station, only for a community of special interest station
Mark Polden
Flame CCR
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From: alan.coote at btinternet.com
To: transplanfm at hotmail.com; cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:33:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Future In Doubt?
Hi Ian,
I have not suggested that Ofcom or the CMA are wrong just there appears to
be, a subservience to commercial radio and apparent inactivity,
respectively.
I guess you like me remember Luxemburg and Laser 558 on AM not to mention
Radio 1 before its move to FM. We couldn’t imaging listening to these on AM
now. Not that the content was bad, it’s just the we have FM and digital
which provide a much better listening experience.
Eventually this will be the case for FM, it will die. Not because its bad,
just there’s a better richer experience elsewhere.
Community Radio should be at the vanguard of a move to digital, not the
‘Johnny come lately’.
Alan
PS An interesting side issue: Any radio station who’s financial stability
relies on there being an audience, doesn’t want masses of competition. The
cake is only so big and each new station slices the audience. It’s in the
interest of commercial radio to limit access to DAB, in some cases its worth
financing a new DAB station rather than let another competitor have the
channel.
Sadly, because the Government, BBC and Commercial radio have significant
vested interests in keeping DAB, it will be ‘The’ digital platform of choice
- guaranteed. All of which means, if we can’t beat them we should join them
- Now!
From: Ian Hickling [mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com]
Sent: 09 December 2010 12:23 PM
To: Alan Coote; cma-l
Subject: Community Radio Future In Doubt?
Alan
I fail to see why you're saying that "we are to be consigned to the FM
backwaters".
FM is currently the foremost platform for delivery of radio programming is
it not?
There are many digital formats - none of which is compatible with any other
- and all rely on some form of radio or a restrictive fixed landline link
for delivery to the customer.
Putting aside all the motivational words used by the under-informed, digital
broadcast radio certainly has a future in the UK - it's not DAB - and it
does not and will not involve the cessation of VHF FM services in general at
all - at least not for a very long time.
The CMA and Ofcom have both made this very clear on a number of occasions.
> From: alan.coote at btinternet.com
> To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:14:01 +0000
> Subject: [cma-l] Community Radio Future In Doubt?
>
> Hi Jaqui,
>
> I think therein lies the problem. We will never be anything other than a
> disparate group of also-rans if there isn't a single strong voice.
>
> I'm confident that the more progressive amongst us really see a vibrant
> future for community radio as the new local radio, but only if we are not
> downtrodden again by the incredibly strong lobbying from the commercial
> radio sector. They had their way forcing the burdensome over regulations
on
> us and now it seems that we are to be consigned to the FM backwaters
whilst
> they get £100Ms government funding for DAB. This does not seem
proportionate
> or reasonable.
>
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaquicma at googlemail.com [mailto:jaquicma at googlemail.com]
<mailto:%5bmailto:jaquicma at googlemail.com%5d> On Behalf Of
> jaqui devereux
> Sent: 07 December 2010 11:11 AM
> To: Alan Coote
> Cc: cma-l
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Future In Doubt?
>
> Hi Alan
>
> The problem is that not all our community radio membership agrees that is
> the way forward for them! We will consider and put out a call for views on
> the most robust lobbying way forward.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jaqui
>
> On 6 December 2010 23:59, Alan Coote <alan.coote at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hi Jaqui,
> >
> > I don't believe there is another media outlet in the country which
> > would 'ask' the government for a roadmap for their industry. Surely we
> > are clear about the way forward?
> >
> > It's in everyone's interest; government, commercial, BBC and Community
> > Radio for there to be a single platform. Logically this must be
> > digital. The replanning of DAB is an ideal time to be very clear
> > about our needs as a sector.
> >
> > May I suggest as a starter for 10;
> >
> > a) That as a minimum all current community stations should have access
> > to a FM quality stereo DAB+ multiplex channel within their current
> > licenced period. I believe the average person in the UK can receive 25
> > - 30 radio services (excluding digital set-top and satellite). DAB+
> > provides around 18 services per multiplex and with two or three
> > multiplexes per region there is enough room for community radio.
> >
> > b) The funding should set at an achievable level and be split between
> > government and individual community radio stations, with a change in
> > the 50% rule enabling stations to find the extra money.
> >
> > c) As for areas that DAB+ is not a viable alternative, then there
> > should be a 10 year plan to enable DRM+ to be used within the UK. This
> > would be used in a subpart of the current band II (VHF) spectrum. This
> > then would enable the other part of Band II to be auctioned off,
> > thereby paying for the DRM+ introduction.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jaquicma at googlemail.com [mailto:jaquicma at googlemail.com]
<mailto:%5bmailto:jaquicma at googlemail.com%5d> On
> > Behalf Of jaqui devereux
> > Sent: 06 December 2010 10:09 AM
> > To: Alan Coote
> > Cc: cma-l
> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Future In Doubt?
> >
> > Dear Alan
> >
> > Absolutely - we are asking for a roadmap for community radio, just to
> > let you know too that we attended the first Digital Radio Ministerial
> > Group and will continue to press for the needs of community radio and
> > other small radio both to keep FM in the medium term and to migrate
> > for those that want to.
> >
> > The "at the moment" quote means that FM to be retained for a very long
> > foreseeable future (2025??)
> >
> > We will keep you all posted on progress,
> >
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> >
> > Jaqui
> >
> > --
> > Jaqui Devereux
> > Director, Community Media Association
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 December 2010 08:46, Alan Coote <alan.coote at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> Surely this sounds alarm bells at the CMA?
> >>
> >> >From the Independent News Paper this Sunday.
> >>
> >> "The DCMS spokeswoman said there were no plans for a sell-off [FM
> > Spectrum]
> >> "at the moment", but did not rule it out. "We may come to a situation
> > where
> >> a proportion of bandwidth is no longer required, and will consider
> > possible
> >> other uses for it."
> >>
> >> With an estimated £100M - £200M going into the proposed DAB upgrade,
> > should
> >> we not expect space for Community Radio to be included then we're all
> > happy
> >> that FM can be switched off?
> >>
> >> Full story here:
> >>
> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/so-who-thinks-dab-is-
> > the-fu
> >> ture-not-enough-of-us-to-make-it-so-2151512.html
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> Alan Coote
> >> Managing Director
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> > --
> > Jaqui Devereux
> > Director, Community Media Association
> >
> >
>
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>
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> Jaqui Devereux
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