[cma-l] FW: Local News Partnership - deadline extended

Tue May 30 15:30:32 BST 2017

Dear All

The problems I have regarding this are three fold :-

The first one being the classic again that it appears as if I’m some Rottweiler spoiling for a fight. Anything but, I am merely asking the questions that most are thinking as I believe mixed messages are being sent out. It has become a mixed message because I have one thing in my head which I believe could be the correct one, and the process appears to be going off down a different road whilst at the same time attempting to hoodwink people. Sounds familiar ?

There is a lot of meat on the bone on this statement :-

There is no restriction on community radio using the audio from this project on their website, with the addition of locally written (by you) words and pictures. That providing certain conditions and standards are met by the community station.

The central point, is that the audio from this project cannot be broadcast by the station

Firstly, if a Radio Station can’t broadcast the News content then I struggle to see where the improvement of the overall service is ?     Newspapers for example have the Paper and the Website. This is where people will go for the News. People ‘listen out’ for the News on the Radio     ie:- Internet broadcast and/or FM      it is what differenciates us from Print and News Hubs and News Websites.

If it is locally written by us from the new source, nothing has been gained apart from the fact that there just ‘’’might’’’ be a bit more of it available (but this is wishy washy at the moment)                                 ‘’Certain conditions and Standards are met’’                ?????                   I don’t understand this statement at all  ??

The reason I don’t understand it is because it contradicts what we are trying to achieve. We here at Third Fiddle FM for example don’t need to look at our standards, conditions, qualifications, Degrees, A Levels, O Levels, Spirit Levels because ‘’’expert Journalists’’’ will have reported on the News and then Recorded the audio …. We merely play it out. So, if there is a fall in standards, it would be at source and not in this Office.

The latter bit says       [ central point, the audio can’t be broadcast by the station ]                   the word ‘pointless’ springs to mind.

In a nutshell, if people want to view news, they ain’t going to come to us first, they will seek the local News websites, maybe the local BBC website, maybe even the local Commercial Station website ---- in this area we are bottom of the pile, and dare I say understandably so. Therefore, making this new project FULLY AVAILABLE to all, improves quality, accountability, reach … which I thought were what the exercise was about ?            or is it about something else ?

I will elaborate further once I have received a reply from our experts on this side of the fence and experts from the BBC News Hub who have been asked the same questions.

I personally think there is going to be exclusion, it’s just that it will be dressed up to make it look like it has all been done fairly and correct. Unfortunately one thing that folk seem to have forgotten is that most people on this side of fence pay a licence fee and some of that 8 Million is our money. That makes things slightly different.

I repeat, I am not spoiling for a fight, I never have, I just want a level playing surface. I think this is a big showpiece on the way forward, if there is a way forward.

Has anybody at all thought to ask the question     Why can’t the Professional content be broadcast ??      I have, I haven’t had an answer yet ?

I want people to chill my concerns or even prove me wrong (please do)   if not, we could be heading for yet another ‘’well I told you so’’

Nick HD

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of tlr at gairloch.co.uk
Sent: 26 May 2017 10:38
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Local News Partnership - deadline extended

For those working to beat the tight deadline on the Invitation to tender, note that the BBC has just extended it by 3 days:

"Dear bidders - the BBC has had a number of representations from organisations requesting a short deadline extension. In light of this, the application deadline will be extended to midnight on Monday 29 May 2017.
Many thanks, Ede"

So you have the weekend to finalize things!

Alex

On 25 May 2017 at 13:17 "Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio" <tlr at gairloch.co.uk <mailto:tlr at gairloch.co.uk> > wrote:

Hi

Thanks, that confirms what I said, as per my original posting. I saw no reference by the BBC to a prohibition on CR stations taking part, and don’t know where Canalside got that from.

The BBC can’t speak for Ofcom, of course, whose agreement is usually needed for ‘out of area’ production.

Alex

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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Local News Partnership

Hi Alex

There is no restriction on community radio using the audio from this project on their website, with the addition of locally written (by you) words and pictures. That providing certain conditions and standards are met by the community station.

The central point, is that the audio from this project cannot be broadcast by the station.

Also, this project does not affect any arrangements in place between BBC local and community statoons who have entered in to any sharing arrangement, as set up by Commedia.

The above is a precise of an email we received from the BBC following some questions on the project.

-Nigel-

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From: Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio <mailto:tlr at gairloch.co.uk>  

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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [cma-l] Local News Partnership

I put our application in at the weekend. While doing it, I didn’t see any restriction against Community Radio stations, indeed I didn’t see Community Radio referred to at all, only “local media”, and “local news organisations”. But as I said, I think stations would need Ofcom consent to use the BBC content.

The notes say:

“The partnership includes:

…A Shared Data Unit that will share data journalism with news organisations across the media industry and will be staffed by reporters from local news providers and the BBC.”

“Any local news provider wanting to receive content from the Shared Data Unit, the local Democracy Reporter or the News Hub must meet the journalistic standards laid out in Section 1 of the Eligibility Criteria.  <http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/howwework/partnerships/bbclocalnewspartnerships_guidancenotesv2.pdf> Guidance notes for applications are available  <http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/howwework/partnerships/bbclocalnewspartnerships_guidancenotesv2.pdf> here. Apply online via the  <https://bbc.bravosolution.co.uk/web/login.html> BBC Procurement website.”

It defines local news organisations as:

…those individuals, companies or groups 

*       whose intended audience is typically located in a specific geographical area which is smaller than a single Nation of the UK (ie smaller than Scotland)

*       who generate and distribute their own news content 

*       whose journalistic output covers a broad range of topical subjects, but in particular local government and democratic institutions News providers whose target audience is a community of interest (e.g. supporters of a sports team) or whose editorial is local but focussed on a community of interest

(NB BBC’s mis-spelling of ‘focused’!) 

I guess not all community stations generate their own news, so that might be a hurdle, as might this be:

Applicants are also required to certify that they meet these minimum standards:

*       Does your local news organisation(s) provide a consistent level of contemporaneous coverage of all aspects of public institutions, organisations and civic life, including councils and public bodies? 

*       Does your local news organisation(s) meet and maintain high journalistic standards?

Alex

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>  [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Canalside's Thread events guide for NE Cheshire
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Local News Partnership

>From what I understood from the outset was there was a local News hub in various areas around the Country. Media be them Commercial / Community  whatever could access it           ie:- passworded    like traffic reports or news services which are paid for ……. As I saw it someone somewhere shut the door on us accessing before Chrimbo  (October / November I seem to recall. Is this correct is the question ?

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