[cma-l] Advertising Income & £15,000

Tue May 2 08:46:41 BST 2017

I repeat for the 500th time         would it not be easier to simply
regulate the spend    ???               easy / simples          

Nick

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Sent: 29 April 2017 01:14
To: ROBERT TYLER <bobtyler at btinternet.com>; The Community Media Association
Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Advertising Income & £15,000

Hi Bob,

As I've understood it, if a station was allowed advertising, it could
generate up to 50% of it's income by advertising - but remember that as Alex
noted, this is "broadcast" income - if I sponsor your website, or an OB
caravan etc, that's not "broadcast income" whereas advertising in your
programmes is.

The £15,000 is a recent addition by the authorities which now allows you to
earn £15,000 + 50%

So if your income is £50K, 50% is £25K.
£50K - £25K means that you used to be able to sell adverts to the tune of
£25K.

Now, you disregard the 1st £15K and 50% of the remaining £35K is £17.5K.
£50K - £17.5K means that you can now sell adverts to the tune of £32.5K.

I hope....! :-)

Cheers,

Eddie

KCR broadcasts across Moray and beyond on 107.7FM
and to the world on the internet at http://kcr.fm
https://www.facebook.com/KCR107.7/

KCR is the operating name of Keith Community Radio Ltd.
Registered in Scotland: No SC 173805
Registered Office: 59a Land Street, Keith, Banffshire, AB55 5AN

On 28/04/17 16:42, ROBERT TYLER wrote:

Thanks Alex

Did i see a maximum figer of £15,000 somewhere?

Is so, where does that come from?

BT

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Sent: Friday, 28 April 2017, 16:39
Subject: RE: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom - tomorrow

Bob

I don’t think anything has changed - the cap has always included all
broadcast income as far as I know. That’s sponsorship and advertising – but
note it is broadcast income – ie sponsorship that derives directly from the
provision of broadcasts, such as programme sponsorship, advert spots etc. 

As far as I know, though I stand to be corrected, it doesn’t cover
sponsorship of other activities with no mention in broadcasts, for example
sponsorship of the station website or grants etc that don’t give rise to
commercial credits on air.

As for the Act, it does indeed mention sponsorship income. 

Section 262 Community Radio:

(3) An order under this section in relation to a description of services
may, in particular, impose prohibitions or limitations on the inclusion of
advertisements in services of that description and on the sponsorship of
programmes included in the services.

In fact, the Act rarely mentions advertising without saying “advertising and
sponsorship”, not just in the CR section.

Alex

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Regarding the £15,000 max of sponsorship and advertising, can anyone explain
this to me?

I thought the 2003 Communication Act did not mention sponsorship income?

What has changed?

Thanks

BT

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Subject: Re: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom - tomorrow

I'd take that as evidence that they knew they would be called to account and
they had to get on with the job.

The consultation response was one of our priorities for today.

Bill

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On 28 April 2017 at 12:32, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com
<mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com> > wrote:

Interesting that Ofcom made an important announcement this morning:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__ data/assets/pdf_file/0020/
101459/community-radio-future- licensing-technical-policy- statement.pdf
<https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/101459/community-radio
-future-licensing-technical-policy-statement.pdf> 

just as the CMA delegation was going in to a meeting to discuss all of that
- and a few other vital points.

Coincidence?
Or carefully planned strategy?

Ian Hickling

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Sent: 28 April 2017 11:02:34
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Subject: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom - tomorrow 

Dear People of Great Loveliness

Not forgetting a troop of (few) other Stations who were hoodwinked at the
outset as to what area they were meant to be covering, mind-boggled with
jargon, led up the garden path, pecked at by (let’s use James’s phrase)
childish moronic folk who lobbied to introduce restrictions (which by the
way DID affect the set up) and still does indirectly affect operation as we
still have to deal with all the baggage and leftovers from the mess     (and
I don’t want any so called experts trying to tell me otherwise as we
[canalside] lived it, breathed it and have the T-Shirt to prove it)      but
alas, we have the Commercials / Experts who we have been told recently
‘apparently’     ‘’’want to help us’’’ 

Actions speak louder than words, so the best thing everyone can do is go
back to square one, start how we ought to have started and then all the
angst and frustration gets put to bed, we forgive and forget and move on
YES    as a Radio Fraternity, each with our own roles to play.

Let’s ask the same questions, but wheel in the Man from Del Monte coz ‘’he
say Yes’’

Personally, I do not have an issue with metaphorically speaking being third
fiddle as I am but a mere insect in all of this, in fact I am but a mere
insect in most things --- however, I take a dim view to being shoved to the
back of the queue & being third fiddle whilst having our noses rubbed in it
at the same time.

Let us have a bit of respect shown to our sector with actions --- not words
nor more consultations and then we can ALL go to the hob-knobbing gatherings
on an equal footing.

If the experts and commercials do this, I will be the first person to give
em a great big kiss and parade them around the streets of London in a sedan
chair.

On a positive note ---- yes the experts giving tips and advice and putting
it out there for us all is very good and it is to be applauded and I thank
them and respect them for that – but you have to see the wider picture, and
the wider picture is that unless you/we/they/DCMS/Ofcom/Uncle Tom Cobbley
sort out the ‘’’politics’’’   implementing the advice ends up the same
trying to push a 3 ton rock up Ben Nevis.

Onwards and Upwards ----- monkeee magic & goodwill to all mankind

Nick H Dumpty - Chairman / UK Crying in the Wilderness Society

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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom - tomorrow

Ian

I again draw your attention to Ofcom's consultation "Community radio: future
licensing and technical policy" published on 28th October 2016:

1.4 We anticipate that our current (third) round of licensing will draw to a
close in late spring 2017, and that licensing of small-scale DAB services
may not commence before 2018. In the interim, we propose to license more
analogue services, as well as consider coverage improvements for existing
services. 

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/ consultations-and-statements/
category-2/cr-future-licensing
<https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-2/cr-future-
licensing> 

We will be asking for further clarification of Ofcom's deadline and
insisting that Ofcom publishes its response to the technical consultation
that Sharon White indicated would be delivered by the end of April.

Regards

Bill

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On 27 April 2017 at 11:34, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com
<mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com> > wrote:

Open message to Bill Best:

Bill - we wish you all the best in your meeting at Ofcom tomorrow.

Don't forget to stress that there are 243 CR broadcasters out here - and
another 160-plus potential Applicants - that have been waiting for a very
long tome for news of how Ofcom is going to proceed with serving this market
- and for at least some results from the 33 Region 10 and 11 applications.

Thank you.

Ian Hickling

Partner

 <http://www.transplanuk.com/> 

Office: 016 3557 8435  (07h to 22h GTS)

Car: 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)

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