[cma-l] Digital radio event in Glasgow - 23rd February

Tue Jan 10 12:22:16 GMT 2017

I think Angel Radio have done a fantastic job with the trial - although this isn’t the conditions proposed.

For the most part, unused capacity would be caused by suppliers not releasing slots because there are no incentives in doing so. Not because there wasn’t a demand for the capacity. 

If you own a station and a Mux (the only obvious combination), after your costs are covered, there is no financial gain to be had. In fact, you could find you’re losing advertising revenue to other stations on your Mux.  

Plus, by adding more services your making it more difficult for the others to make any money. This would cause a churn of stations which adds to the Mux owner’s admin and costs.   

I think it’s right to ensure greater access to community stations but let’s not have another not-for-profit mess.  

Kind Regards

Alan

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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Digital radio event in Glasgow - 23rd February

You say that Alan, but I think all the trial SSDAB I think are full and even moving some DAB services to DAB+ to free up more space for more stations. (I know the Solent one has a waiting list)

On 10 January 2017 at 11:15, Alan Coote <alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk> wrote:

In principle, not for profit SSDAB would only work for stations looking to fund their own carriage or offset costs from others. 

However, while there may be a business case for providing additional and / or high quality stereo services to fill the available multiplex space, I suspect that much capacity would go unused.  

There seems zero incentive to own a multiplex without being on it and who in their right mind would want competing services on their multiplex?

I think a better model is revenue sharing after providing mandatory free access say on a third of the bandwidth.

Kind Regards

Alan

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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Digital radio event in Glasgow - 23rd February

Not only interesting but potentially of great importance!  

At the AGM I argued it was critical that if community radio had to migrate to DAB that the multiplex they were on should owned by the community radio stations on it and could then be used as a source of income generation (by ‘renting’ space to commercial operators. 

I’m not sure that ‘multiplex are to be provided on a non-commercial basis’ is exactly saying but it goes a long way towards it.

Regards

Richard

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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Digital radio event in Glasgow - 23rd February

Hi david,

I hadnt seen the bill had been published thank you ever so much for that.

A quick read shows the following points:

1. any person who has an interest in a national or local multiplex is disqualified to hold a SSDAB multiplex license

2. multiplex are to be provided on a non-commercial basis

3. provide capacity reserved for community radio

All very interesting!

Martin

On 9 January 2017 at 18:45, David <david at niocast.com> wrote:

Hi Martin

At this stage many of the participants in the trial(s) are ‘not-for-profit’.  Probably not intentionally! 

I’m not sure if everyone in  this place is aware of this http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2016-2017/0028/17028.pdf

Probably worth digesting this and it’s implications before commenting. Give me a day!  I’m not 100% behind the wording in this.

Regards,

David

www.niocast.com 

On 9 Jan 2017, at 18:13, Martin Steers <martin at martinsteers.co.uk> wrote:

David,

It would be great to get your insight into what might be the barriers for community radio?

Also do you have any services that are "not for profit" so community radio but not an existing CR license holder?

Martin

On 9 January 2017 at 18:09, David (Niocast Digital) <david at niocast.com> wrote:

Hi Nick

We missed you at the Manchester event. But great to see all the other stations that did make the effort to attend.

I can only speak for the Manchester ‘trial’ and it is going well, thank you.  18 stations currently: 14 DAB+ and 4 DAB; with 3 more joining imminently.

It’s a real shame that there are only 3 community radio stations onboard - Gaydio; Unity; and Heritage . I have a feeling this will be replicated across the country and that minimuxes may not be the alternative digital home for community radio that the DCMS is hoping it will be.

David

www.niocast.com 

On 9 Jan 2017, at 17:13, Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk> wrote:

This should be a sell out ……………. Glasgow is a bit nearer to Norway than Manchester   J                       with FM now gone bon yoyage expect to see lots of people in attendance adorning Helmets with Horns on them

LOL

By the way              do we have an update on these DAB ‘’’trials’’’    are they going OK or are there teething problems at the moment ???

Nick

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Subject: [cma-l] Digital radio event in Glasgow - 23rd February

Following the success of the last digital radio event in Manchester, Digital Radio UK is organising another digital radio event in Glasgow!

Thursday 23 February, 6-8pm (time tbc)

29 Glasgow, Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow

All community radio stations in the area and beyond are invited.

This event is definitely worth attending for anybody interested in the development of digital radio in the UK.

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