[cma-l] Community Radio Transmission Coverage
Associated Broadcast Consultants
info at a-bc.co.uk
Mon Jan 2 13:17:04 GMT 2017
Wise advice there from Ian - I wholeheartedly agree. It's always a shame
seeing stations waste money only to regret it later and spend more putting
it right. If you are spending thousands setting something up, it's worth
spending a few hundred on expert advice to maximise the benefit you achieve
from that investment!
Glyn
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Glyn Roylance - Principal Consultant
Associated Broadcast Consultants <http://www.a-bc.co.uk/>
On 2 January 2017 at 09:50, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> At the risk of incurring terminal boredom, can I make the case for careful
> professional planning?
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> The very existence of your station relies solely on its ability to reach a
> commercially-viable audience.
> Why not spend time getting this right from the outset?
> This has been my chosen niche for some 30-odd years and the basis
> of one half of our business.
> I have lost count of the number of CR stations that we have visited or
> contacted which for one reason or another are not achieving the
> coverage they need or asked for - or indeed for which they have been
> licensed.
> An astounding 83% of all currently-operational Community Radio stations
> fall into that last category - 83%!
> Even if you have continual access to pots of money - and who can say that
> - why waste it on "horrendous fees" paid to Arqiva and the like who seed
> you as another mobile phone company?
> OK - if you're already in operation and not optimally, this is all behind
> you.
> So now's the chance, with Ofcom showing some interest, to properly
> appraise where you need to improve and hopefully save precious revenue
> expenditure at the same time.
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> There are several organisations and individuals who will help you with
> this - and most like us will look at your situation in initially at no
> charge.
> Get more than one opinion - just as you would if you were costing a large
> investment project - which this is!
> I will always tell Clients if I think they are getting a better/cheaper
> deal from someone else - even if we feel we can't compete.
> We just hate to see people spending hard-earned cash on the wrong things.
> Enough said - sorry.
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> Ian Hickling
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> Partner
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> <http://www.transplanuk.com/>
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> *Office: 016 3557 8435 (07h to 22h GTS)*
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> *Car: 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)*
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> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <
> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Neil Munday <
> neilm at susyradio.com>
> *Sent:* 01 January 2017 20:31
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
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> Hi Nigel
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> Good to hear from you and a Happy New Year to our friends at Eden fm
> Penrith!
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> I'm a little out of touch with Ofcom directly as my Colleague is our
> direct liaison officially. Keeps it simple!
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> I have discussions at an engineering level occasionally, when needs must
> for some pointers, but that's all.
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> This Q of 5km rattles around and around. And we both know from various
> sites it can become tricky with finding a good location to place a
> transmitter and antenna without good accessibility and horrendous fees!
> Sometimes to keep moving locations constantly changes the coverage, costs
> money and can have disastrous consequences when a vital piece of kit fails
> in the process.
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> Anyway something to discuss over a jar next time we meet!
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> Regards to all and I hope that Cumbria has a good winter this year.
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> Neil
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> On Sun, 1 Jan 2017 at 17:21, admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Web: www.edenfm.co.uk
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>> Facebook : @edenfmonline
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>> Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk>
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>> *Sent:* 30 December 2016 12:11
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>> *To:* 'The Community Media
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>> Media Association Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>;
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>> Neil
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>> neilm at susyradio.com
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