[cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Neil Munday
neilm at susyradio.com
Sun Jan 1 20:31:31 GMT 2017
Hi Nigel
Good to hear from you and a Happy New Year to our friends at Eden fm
Penrith!
I'm a little out of touch with Ofcom directly as my Colleague is our direct
liaison officially. Keeps it simple!
I have discussions at an engineering level occasionally, when needs must
for some pointers, but that's all.
This Q of 5km rattles around and around. And we both know from various
sites it can become tricky with finding a good location to place a
transmitter and antenna without good accessibility and horrendous fees!
Sometimes to keep moving locations constantly changes the coverage, costs
money and can have disastrous consequences when a vital piece of kit fails
in the process.
Anyway something to discuss over a jar next time we meet!
Regards to all and I hope that Cumbria has a good winter this year.
Neil
On Sun, 1 Jan 2017 at 17:21, admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
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