[cma-l] Format Change Application
Ian Hickling
transplanfm at hotmail.com
Sun Jan 1 18:03:51 GMT 2017
On the basis of recent developments Nigel, I'd disagree.
Get your change format very conclusively written up on an RTFV6:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/radio-broadcast-licensing/amend
Format changes are likely to receive considerably higher priority than recently
Ian Hickling
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Hi Neil
Happy New Year to the Susy gang.
<<If not re calculate, re adjust coatings and apply for a change. >?>
Changes are not up for discussion with Ofcom at present.
After the consultation results are reported, we will know where/when on the list changes be requested. My guess is that is some time away.
Before that, there is no option to discuss any changes.
Cheers.
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From: Neil Munday<mailto:neilm at susyradio.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Thank you Ian, a better than good application included an extensive coverage business model. Ours was based on 20 plus years of RSL experience covering the same area from the same tx site on FM and from a second site in AM. How we work within the community, what we have and are giving back to the community etc ...
The business model is not static either it has to evolve as the station evolves, readjusting the parameters.
Back to coverage
Did you do your calculations correctly
Did you allow for losses in cables
Are you using Vertical and Horizontal transmission (this does not mean two antenna by the way).
Is your tx site in the best possible place to get max coverage without being blocked by other hills, mountains etc
Do an assessment. Drive around with the worst car radio you have and listen.
If not re calculate, re adjust coatings and apply for a change.
Best wishes for the new year.
Neil
Ps
If there is any CR who would like to visit or ask a question then please do. It has always been our policy to try and assist others if we can. I can explain the basics but can try and arrange for our transmission engineer to be available at your visit or find out a more detailed answer if one is required!
We have given offers of help and or advice to or engineering support to several CR stations and several pop up RSLs over the years country wide.
N
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 at 20:39, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com<mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Nick
I think we may have had this conversation, but as an
exponent of this subject in a
practical sense can I explain what happens in real life?
Th "5km radius" was always the example used by Ofcom to give Applicants a typical range for a Community Radio operation.
It was never a rule or a limit.
For some time recently it has seemed that Ofcom has been expressing 5km as some kind of limitation or norm - but I have always opposed this as wrong and indeed impractical whenever it has cropped up with our Clients.
There is a parallel "non-rule" of power being limited to 25W vertical plus 25W horizontal,
As I'm sure I've pointed out before - out of the 303 CR stations licensed, 38 (16% of those currently on air) have been allocated more than that "norm" - because they have shown Ofcom that it was necessary to fulfil their business model.
The rest presumably haven't bothered - have been too scared to put their case - or have thought just 25W was enough or all they would get.
And an amazing 85% of stations are not using the other half (the horizontal component) of their allocated power - effectively throwing away around 40% of their licensed coverage.
Why would you want to do that?
>From the outset the premise from Ofcom was "Tell us your Community - and tell us how you propose to cover it"
Your situation Nick as we have discussed is a little different.
There are (or were) other outside reasons why you are being prevented from serving audience demand and I think now is the right time to put some more weight behind your very just cause.
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Subject: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
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Subject: RE: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Neil et al
It’s not a scream, it is as always with moi an observation to facts. The fact (s) being that either the rules are 5km or they are not. For some their hats have been nailed on, for others there
has been flexibility and for others it appears as if there has been a free-for-all.
Knowing all the problems (dare I say ongoing problems) you would have thought a simple explanation could have been given as to what process and what rules we are working to.
Why doesn’t anyone listen to the facts ? the facts are we were told this was a rule --- others have said it isn’t a rule it is an advisory, others have said it now doesn’t exist and is what
you put down on your application. Too late of course for the rookies who had their original dabble over ten years ago.
The official folk on this matter ie:- Mr and Mrs Ofcom state it is a rule ………… well that’s gone bon voyage and straight out the window when you look at what is going on ……………. Hence confusion
abound.
For example :- if it is a nailed down, no questions asked 5km ruling, then we may as well all go home and chuck all the kit on the fire and throw the towel in as we will never be able to survive.
It is clear common sense (there’s that word again) that we rely a little bit on luck in the fact that our transmitters ‘bleed-out’ slightly for another 2 or 3km so that we can at least hook in a few just outside the official area.
Our problem of course is that where we (Canalside) are based you have to travel at least 1 and half miles N / S / E / W before you reach people again outside of Bollington or else all we are broadcasting
to are sheep and cows ………………. This has been explained a hundred times, but to no avail.
You (Neil) mentions topography etc etc once again we have missed the point ……………. Either we operate to a 5km system or we don’t. The moment Ofcom/DCMS start shuffling things around and
giving lee-way to some who are down a ditch or behind a tree then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander kicks into gear.
The whole thing is a cock-up ……………….. however, the ‘’’cock-up’’’ can easily be rectified if people are permitted to discuss and then tweak what is necessary so that a Community Radio Station can
cover the Community it is meant to be serving.
Common sense (there’s that word yet again) is then applied once more so that ‘some’ Stations don’t start getting carried away with themselves bearing in mind that we are LOCAL Radio and not REGIONAL
Radio. You don’t have to be an expert to work this out. Some people of course would like to split hairs on this matter in order to put a pointless case forward or to get what they want. They may fool some people but they certainly don’t fool me and never have.
It’s very similar to the discussion I had with Martin re:- restrictions. We simply lift all the restrictions and let everyone ‘’’get-on-with-it’’’ if all of a sudden Station
‘A’ that has been operating on £55,000 per-annum suddenly goes up to £130,000 per-annum with 6 of the Trustees Holidaying in the Maldives for 8 weeks then the alarm bells start ringing. Hence why I have always said ‘’regulate the SPEND’’ and not the earn’
Not difficult, but made difficult by people who want it to be difficult.
That leads me finally onto Davids observation regarding the ‘’’consultation’’’ I think the reason why there’s only 14 Stations as opposed to 250 commenting is because everyone has malaise
and has basically ‘given up’
My personal feelings on all these matters have been expressed via message boards, via consultations, via meetings with CMA / Ofcom / DCMS / Politicians ……….. the problem is if you are dealing
with people who simply won’t play ball you are always going to be up against it.
The only option we have is to soldier on and do something yourself ---- in various quarters I/We have done this --- it would of course be more effective if we actually did something about it as
a group instead of having consultations.
I have over the years taken a good long hard look at myself and my observations … I have done it to try and make myself back off and convince myself that actually I am totally wrong and that all
the rules and regulations and processes are correct. I have searched in every nook and cranny and sadly I actually don’t think I am wrong --- I actually think I am spot on and that’s why I don’t shut up. I would not be doing our fraternity justice if I did
roll over and died.
So to conclude I don’t scream nor do I rant, I merely make forthright observations that looking Back over the years 9 times out of 10 are correct --- I just wish someone would take the Bull
by the Horns and sort it all out ….. then tell me that I was wrong …… sadly they won’t be able to.
I have even done the ultimate bit ‘’put the money where the mouth is’’ let’s do it the way I have suggested, give it a try, if it doesn’t work (which it only won’t work if it is not
regulated correctly) and see what happens.
Happy New Year everyone onwards and upwards to Dumptyland
Nick
From: Neil Munday [mailto:neilm at susyradio.com]
Sent: 30 December 2016 10:20
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Rather than scream about it on here if you would like a conversation I will explain our restrictions and our topography which cause this against our official coverage area if which some we don't cover effectively.
Call me 07767767689
Neil Munday
Operations Director
Susy Radio 103.4
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 at 10:17, Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk<mailto:office at thethread.org.uk>> wrote:
Reigate, Redhill, Horley, Crawley, Gatwick ??? Good Lord ! that’s the largest 5km I’ve ever seen in my life !
If someone could explain this process (as in from the outset) I would be very grateful.
I know we have been here before with this discussion, but along with other issues you can see surely why people get frustrated.
Owing to restrictions we (Canalside) are OFFICIALLY on 5km ----- and NO !! we didn’t ask for it, we were led up a garden path which clearly was wrong. All we are asking for is a small
‘tweak’ because the rules have now changed.
Is anyone asking the necessary questions in the correct places ? or are we just drifting along aimlessly ?
Please please explain to me why some have 5km and some have 10km and some have 15km and the answer dare not be ‘’Because they asked for it’’ as far as I
am aware everyone asked originally to ‘cover’ their Community we certainly did but were told ‘’you’re not allowed because????’’
And the circus continues with everyone operating under different rules ??
It’s bonkers ! these so called restrictions have got a hell of lot to answer for along with the clots that dreamt them up in the first place
Well done though to Susy on the extension to the licence
Onwards and Upwards for 2017
Nick
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Subject: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Susy Radio is pleased to announce that the station's licence has been officially extended for another 5 years until 2022. Susy Radio, broadcasting on 103.4FM and online from
its studio in Merstham, Surrey, came on air as a fully licensed 24/7 community station in July 2012 following many years of occasional broadcasts.
Susy's Programme Director Geoff Rogers said "I'm so pleased that Susy Radio is going to be given the opportunity to continue its work as the official local community radio station for East Surrey and North Sussex. We look forward immensely to the new
opportunities to work with and serve the community in the next five years."
Chairman Alan French noted "This reflects so well on all who have been involved with Susy Radio from its beginning to the present day and made it the great community radio station it has become today. Thank you to all the volunteer staff.”
Further information
Susy Radio 103.4 is the official Community Radio station covering Reigate, Redhill, Horley, Crawley and Gatwick with all places in between. Susy Radio is run entirely by volunteers and has a excellent working relationships with many local community groups,
local authorities, other broadcasters and journalists.
Susy Radio is funded by a split between grants and donations vs advertising and operates as a "Not for Profit" Limited company.
More information:
Neil Munday
Operations Director
Susy Radio 103.4
neilm at susyradio.com<mailto:neilm at susyradio.com>
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