[cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?

Tue Feb 21 08:54:15 GMT 2017

Lol I present the jazz show and even I have a short attention span for Old
Blue Eyes...

On 20 February 2017 at 09:01, Canalside's The Thread <
office at thethread.org.uk> wrote:

> We’ve been caught out a number of time chaps at mid-day, tea-time, in the
> morning etc etc    with apparent ‘’’Radio Edit’’’ version of songs !
> (which clearly are not Vicar)
>
> I think what has happened is standards have dropped over the years so what
> someone thought was sailing close to the wind 15 years ago is now passed as
> ‘no big deal’
>
>
>
> My advice to Urban Stations on this one would be        stick some Frank
> Sinatra on   :
>
>
>
> Rapper MC Dumpty
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>
>
> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Eddie Stuart
> *Sent:* 19 February 2017 17:25
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List <
> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?
>
>
>
> I always thought that it was what was "appropriate" and an audience "might
> expect"....
>
> So, on a rap station in South London, at midnight, my expectation would be
> that there might well be swear words.
>
> Conversely, at drivetime on a more middle of the road station, I wouldn't
> have that expectation so it wouldn’t be appropriate.
>
> That said, I am still convinced that even the slightly moderated version
> of Lady Gaga, Poker Face, still has the f-word after 'poke her face' and
> gets played daytime on Radio 2...!!! (& she is on video on You-Tube
> boasting that she fooled the world over that one)
>
> But like I said, I got the impression that the key words were
> "expectation" & "appropriate" - it goes beyond swear words..... - see song
> lyrics below... :-)
>
> Eddie
>
>
> On 01/11/11 12:29, Eddie Stuart wrote:
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> It's not just explicit songs - I'd use the word "appropriate"
>
> I think that we'd all agree that the Glasgow station who tried to say that
> the Fword was every day speech and that panini didn't mean a certain body
> part was having a laugh and were rightly kicked.
>
> However, the danger is that we get knee-jerk reactions that have
> unintended consequences. Ban Eminem, but then you knock out the song that
> made Dido famous and is OK.
>
> You really need someone of the right age to vet a lot of rap and similar
> stuff - I am old enough to saythat I would have probably caught panini -
> especially given the words around it, but a lot of street slang is just way
> beyond my ken - both musically (?!!) and lyrically.
>
> We have a lot of Gaelic up here and a wonderful column in yesterdays
> Aberdeen Press & Journal commented on the ATM in East London using Cockney
> rhyming slang and asking why the Gaelic Mafia weren't agitating for their
> version up here. The columnist points out that in Gaelic rhyming slang a
> withdrawal would be a "cnap" - literally a lump of money, ie a wad of cash.
> Unfortunately for non-Gaels, the "n" is pronounced here as an "r" and would
> thus sound like the word that got Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" banned when it
> was first released.
>
> The English nickname "Bot" caused total hilarity with Gaelic speaking
> school kids in Stornoway many years ago as they couldn't believe that
> anyone, let alone a visiting Deputy Headmaster, was openly called "*rse".
>
> Eric Bogle, much loved as an artist by many of our older Presenters, has a
> song "Guns, Guns, Guns" which is a mickey take on the American way of life.
> The day after Dunblane or the recent Tomintoul Gamekeeper tragedy, many
> people and possibly Ofcom would probably regard that song as at least as
> inapproriate as the Fword!
>
> I wouldn't play "I Predict A Riot" the night that Tottenham burned and
> hope that everyone else was that sensible. But if you're using an automated
> playout system out of hours.....?? Do you watch the news and then quickly
> scan your entire music collection?
>
> So yes, you should certainly vet music and not load/play certain tracks.
> The Fword is an obvious one. But you also need to stress "appropriateness",
> not just a very narrow "explicit"
>
> You also need to accept that with the best will in the world, something
> will go wrong once in a while and have procedures in place to handle it.
> The Fword is easy, others become more subjective and station specific.
>
> That's my personal opinion, anyway.
>
> Must go now and finish my playlist for tonight - hmm, now which excellent
> track by my favourite female rock band Fanny shall we start with?
>
> On 01/11/11 14:20, Julian Mellor wrote:
>
> Very well said Eddie.
>
>
>
> Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre.  At face value the
> word may be innocent, but to the attuned ear it could be very lude, rude or
> even abusive.  And that gets even more complex when it's combined with
> street slang (what was that word anyway?), or street slang from other
> languages (there's an urban track I want to play from Marseille, sung in a
> mixture of French and Algerian Arabic - can anyone translate to make sure
> it's safe?).
>
>
>
> Maybe we should just keep safe and select only from the Classic Gold
> playlist.
>
>
>
> Julian
>
> On 01/11/11 14:36, Eddie Stuart wrote:
>
> Hmm - a Classic playlist, eh?
>
> This is from a 1948 song by Bull Moose Jackson which I wouldn't want to
> justify to any feminists.....
>
> I want a bow legged Woman
>
>       that's all
>
>       I want a bow legged Woman that's all
>
>       I'll fall in love with Her right from the start
>
>       Because her big fat Legs are so far apart
>
>       I want a bow legged
>
>       Woman right now
>
>       I want to find me A gal somehow
>
>       She's gotta be built like an ol' bass fiddle
>
>       Big bow legs and a hole in the middle
>
>       Gotta be on my way,
>
>       To find a bow legged Woman today.
>
>
>
> Not a swear word in sight!
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>
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> On 19/02/17 16:32, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) wrote:
>
> No we don't know "the answer". My question wasn't "what is allowed by
> Ofcom?". My question was "what do other urban stations do?".
>
>
>
> We, as an urban music station want to make a decision on this (we've
> allowed bad language late at night up until now) and if we are going to
> change it, we want to know what other similar stations are doing to help us
> benchmark where we sit.
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> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 4:17 PM Neil Munday <neilm at susyradio.com> wrote:
>
> There you go you know the answer!
>
> But with the code of offensive words and sayings having just been revised
> and most teenagers ( children) being up to the small hours when is a good
> time to put this type of music in the playlist?
>
>
>
> Neil
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> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:58, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org> wrote:
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> That is just factually incorrect Neil. Ofcom guidance clearly states:
>
>
>
> "Ofcom recognises that music is a fundamental component of radio
> programming. In addition, we recognise that there is a tradition of certain
> genres of music including potentially offensive lyrics in songs. In line
> with the broadcaster’s right to freedom of expression and the audience’s
> right to receive information and ideas, it is important that broadcasters
> have the editorial freedom to broadcast potentially offensive content,
> provided it complies with the Code."
>
> The only thing the code says is that it shouldn't go out at times when
> children are likely to be listening.
>
>
>
> Therefore it's down to the station to decide if they want it to be part of
> their sound / is it what their audience want to hear.
>
>
>
> Hence my question to other urban stations who are likely to have a similar
> audience to us.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:32 PM Neil Munday <neilm at susyradio.com> wrote:
>
> It's simple there's the Ofcom code for FM/AM/DAB broadcasters. There is no
> watershed on radio (at the moment) therefore the answer is No you can't
> play any. But you as a broadcaster and or a presenter should already know
> that that has been key to broadcasting in the U.K as far back as I can
> remember.
>
>
>
> Neil
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> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:21, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm interested in hearing what policies urban music stations put in place
> for bad language in songs.
>
>
>
> E.g. for hip hop music, over half the genre includes offensive language
> and if you're an urban station with specialist (late night) hip hop shows,
> do you allow this music to be played? Or do you insist on only clean stuff
> going out?
>
>
>
> Rhys
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