<div dir="ltr">Lol I present the jazz show and even I have a short attention span for Old Blue Eyes...</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 February 2017 at 09:01, Canalside's The Thread <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk" target="_blank">office@thethread.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-4017785002653076679WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">We’ve been caught out a number of time chaps at mid-day, tea-time, in the morning etc etc with apparent ‘’’Radio Edit’’’ version of songs ! (which clearly are not Vicar)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">I think what has happened is standards have dropped over the years so what someone thought was sailing close to the wind 15 years ago is now passed as ‘no big deal’<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">My advice to Urban Stations on this one would be stick some Frank Sinatra on :<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">Rapper MC Dumpty<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.<wbr>commedia.org.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.<wbr>commedia.org.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eddie Stuart<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 February 2017 17:25<br><b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List <<a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><wbr>><span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p>I always thought that it was what was "appropriate" and an audience "might expect"....<u></u><u></u></p><div><div class="h5"><p>So, on a rap station in South London, at midnight, my expectation would be that there might well be swear words.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Conversely, at drivetime on a more middle of the road station, I wouldn't have that expectation so it wouldn’t be appropriate.<u></u><u></u></p><p>That said, I am still convinced that even the slightly moderated version of Lady Gaga, Poker Face, still has the f-word after 'poke her face' and gets played daytime on Radio 2...!!! (& she is on video on You-Tube boasting that she fooled the world over that one)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">But like I said, I got the impression that the key words were "expectation" & "appropriate" - it goes beyond swear words..... - see song lyrics below... <span class="m_-4017785002653076679moz-smiley-s1">:-)</span><br><br>Eddie<br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 01/11/11 12:29, Eddie Stuart wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">It's not just explicit songs - I'd use the word "appropriate"<br><br>I think that we'd all agree that the Glasgow station who tried to say that the Fword was every day speech and that panini didn't mean a certain body part was having a laugh and were rightly kicked.<br><br>However, the danger is that we get knee-jerk reactions that have unintended consequences. Ban Eminem, but then you knock out the song that made Dido famous and is OK.<br><br>You really need someone of the right age to vet a lot of rap and similar stuff - I am old enough to saythat I would have probably caught panini - especially given the words around it, but a lot of street slang is just way beyond my ken - both musically (?!!) and lyrically.<br><br>We have a lot of Gaelic up here and a wonderful column in yesterdays Aberdeen Press & Journal commented on the ATM in East London using Cockney rhyming slang and asking why the Gaelic Mafia weren't agitating for their version up here. The columnist points out that in Gaelic rhyming slang a withdrawal would be a "cnap" - literally a lump of money, ie a wad of cash. Unfortunately for non-Gaels, the "n" is pronounced here as an "r" and would thus sound like the word that got Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" banned when it was first released.<br><br>The English nickname "Bot" caused total hilarity with Gaelic speaking school kids in Stornoway many years ago as they couldn't believe that anyone, let alone a visiting Deputy Headmaster, was openly called "*rse".<br><br>Eric Bogle, much loved as an artist by many of our older Presenters, has a song "Guns, Guns, Guns" which is a mickey take on the American way of life. The day after Dunblane or the recent Tomintoul Gamekeeper tragedy, many people and possibly Ofcom would probably regard that song as at least as inapproriate as the Fword!<br><br>I wouldn't play "I Predict A Riot" the night that Tottenham burned and hope that everyone else was that sensible. But if you're using an automated playout system out of hours.....?? Do you watch the news and then quickly scan your entire music collection?<br><br>So yes, you should certainly vet music and not load/play certain tracks. The Fword is an obvious one. But you also need to stress "appropriateness", not just a very narrow "explicit"<br><br>You also need to accept that with the best will in the world, something will go wrong once in a while and have procedures in place to handle it. The Fword is easy, others become more subjective and station specific.<br><br>That's my personal opinion, anyway.<br><br>Must go now and finish my playlist for tonight - hmm, now which excellent track by my favourite female rock band Fanny shall we start with?<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 01/11/11 14:20, Julian Mellor wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Very well said Eddie. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre. At face value the word may be innocent, but to the attuned ear it could be very lude, rude or even abusive. And that gets even more complex when it's combined with street slang (what was that word anyway?), or street slang from other languages (there's an urban track I want to play from Marseille, sung in a mixture of French and Algerian Arabic - can anyone translate to make sure it's safe?).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maybe we should just keep safe and select only from the Classic Gold playlist.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Julian<u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 01/11/11 14:36, Eddie Stuart wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Hmm - a Classic playlist, eh?<br><br>This is from a 1948 song by Bull Moose Jackson which I wouldn't want to justify to any feminists.....<br><br><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I want a bow legged Woman<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> that's all<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> I want a bow legged Woman that's all<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> I'll fall in love with Her right from the start<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Because her big fat Legs are so far apart<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> I want a bow legged<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Woman right now<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> I want to find me A gal somehow<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> She's gotta be built like an ol' bass fiddle<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Big bow legs and a hole in the middle<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Gotta be on my way,<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> To find a bow legged Woman today.</span></span> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-4017785002653076679apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Not a swear word in sight! </span></span><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><pre>KCR broadcasts across Moray and beyond on 107.7FM<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>and to the world on the internet at <a href="http://kcr.fm" target="_blank">http://kcr.fm</a><u></u><u></u></pre><pre><a href="https://www.facebook.com/KCR107.7/" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/<wbr>KCR107.7/</a><u></u><u></u></pre><pre><u></u> <u></u></pre><pre>KCR is the operating name of Keith Community Radio Ltd.<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Registered in Scotland: No SC 173805<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Registered Office: 59a Land Street, Keith, Banffshire, AB55 5AN<u></u><u></u></pre><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 19/02/17 16:32, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">No we don't know "the answer". My question wasn't "what is allowed by Ofcom?". My question was "what do other urban stations do?". <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We, as an urban music station want to make a decision on this (we've allowed bad language late at night up until now) and if we are going to change it, we want to know what other similar stations are doing to help us benchmark where we sit. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 4:17 PM Neil Munday <<a href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com" target="_blank">neilm@susyradio.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">There you go you know the answer! <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">But with the code of offensive words and sayings having just been revised and most teenagers ( children) being up to the small hours when is a good time to put this type of music in the playlist?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Neil<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:58, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <<a href="mailto:rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org" target="_blank">rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">That is just factually incorrect Neil. Ofcom guidance clearly states: <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">"<span class="m_-4017785002653076679gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129;background:#f6f7f9">Ofcom recognises that music is a fundamental component of radio programming. In addition, we recognise that there is a tradition of certain genres of music including potentially offensive lyrics in songs. In line with the broadcaster’s right to freedom of expression and the audience’s right to receive information and ideas, it is important that broadcasters have the editorial freedom to broadcast potentially offensive content, provided it complies with the Code."</span></span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The only thing the code says is that it shouldn't go out at times when children are likely to be listening.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Therefore it's down to the station to decide if they want it to be part of their sound / is it what their audience want to hear.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hence my question to other urban stations who are likely to have a similar audience to us.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:32 PM Neil Munday <<a href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com" target="_blank">neilm@susyradio.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">It's simple there's the Ofcom code for FM/AM/DAB broadcasters. There is no watershed on radio (at the moment) therefore the answer is No you can't play any. But you as a broadcaster and or a presenter should already know that that has been key to broadcasting in the U.K as far back as I can remember. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Neil <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:21, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <<a href="mailto:rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org" target="_blank">rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hello, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm interested in hearing what policies urban music stations put in place for bad language in songs.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">E.g. for hip hop music, over half the genre includes offensive language and if you're an urban station with specialist (late night) hip hop shows, do you allow this music to be played? Or do you insist on only clean stuff going out?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Rhys<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">______________________________<wbr>_________________<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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