[cma-l] BBC local democracy content for the sector?

Tue Feb 7 11:43:00 GMT 2017

I'd take issue with you on this Paul:

"...... rules are rules, which each station signs up to when they take on their licence - saying you are not complying with restrictions etc etc is a breach  of those rules and therefore you are acting outside of them and you will have your licence taken away......."

The Community Radio Licence contains specific wording which as far as I recall does not have such cover-all provision.
I'm sure someone here will be able to show us the exact wording.
Of course we must have rules, but we have laws and regulation also - and all are temporal and inevitably subject to democratic change.

It's open to all of us to seek a better deal by making our points to those who can change the rules - and to those who can apply pressure on our behalf.

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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Paul Pennington <paulpennington at btconnect.com>
Sent: 07 February 2017 11:17
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] FW: BBC local democracy content for the sector?

It does seem a little strange that this new local journalism service once aired by the BBC is then only offered for online and newsprint reproduction – in theory- community radio stations could carry this content on their websites (inc hyperlink to the originator) and by simply lifting the salient points from the online editorial, rewordng and highlighting it via the airways of community radio including a reference  pointing listeners to the fuller online report via the community radio stations website, they’d comply.

This whole ‘not for broadcast’ label is also strange given the way that people are increasingly accessing editorial and entertainment online –in today’s market is an online video/radio station not a broadcast?

I can understand the frustrations, but rules are rules, which each station signs up to when they take on their licence - saying you are not complying with restrictions etc etc is a breach  of those rules and therefore you are acting outside of them and you will have your licence taken away. The CMA doesn’t, as we discovered at the AGM before Christmas, represent all of community radio stations, so it doesn’t have collective bargaining power – it does what it can to influence change and does a good job in my estimation – there is no requirement of ministers/Ofcom/’powers that be’ to listen what CMA says, but the fact that it does, we have to be thankful for  -  the CMA is also hamstrung by its previous status and funding as to what it can and can’t do – which hopefully the new charitable status will help address.

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Am I missing something here ?                      I thought the very nature of ‘’’news delivery’’’ was that the idea is to hit as many eyes and ears as possible, because if you do you are providing a valuable news service ……..??!               is this correct ?   or have I wandered off with the fairies ?

It’s almost as if someone from the Ivory Towers wakes up in a morning and thinks :-     what can we do today to exclude the CMA   be it funding or whatever ?         what else can we do to make things difficult awkward ?    what else can we do to wind em up ?             I just can not get my head around any of this at all, it makes no sense !?

As I have said before, I have asked questions of myself thinking that just perhaps somewhere down the line I am going doo-lally ---- the trouble is, I believe I’m the one that is functioning normal and it’s all the others who are bonkers.

I have asked our committee/council to ask the BBC/Government why couldn’t we have a small share of the 8 Million ?    I don’t think we’ve even asked ?       I was pushing this back in March/April last year …….. and this next query      why oh why is it only for in-print and online ?    does it mean that this material will be put in these domains with a sub-title saying    ‘’not for broadcast’’    ?

Surely, any right minded Minister / Big Chief if they had said ‘’nope, no lolly for you boys’’   would have at least followed it up with   ‘’but we will share that material with you to give you a wider focus and wider scope on your local news’’                 the way I see it is we haven’t even been offered a crumb.

I’m not being sarcastic here, I am asking a serious question and I would like at least some response to it please, unless of course as I have said …. Am I missing something here ?

Do we have an update for members on how the charitable application is going as well ?

Oh   and by the way           this £8 Million … is it ongoing or is it a one off for this year ?    if it is ongoing, then 8 Million for 250 Individuals compared to £395,000 for 280 RADIO STATIONS seems a bit lopsided ……….. in fact no, it has gone completely off-piste.

I will say it again as I have been saying for 8 years ……….. the only way we will get anywhere is by flexing muscles. We are allowing people to walk all over us.

I admit, the end result might be the same even after some argy bargy …….. but         at least we’ll feel better AND the Ivory Towers brigade might think twice before shafting us the next time.

First port of call ………….. roll up all the restrictions in a couple of bin bags, dump one load on the DCMS steps in London and the other at Commercial Radio HQ ………. Reason :- no particular reason to be honest except that placing any kind of restrictions on charitable third sector groups is IMMORAL and on a PRINCIPAL is WRONG ………………. PERIOD !

You do realise that we are as guilty for allowing this to carry on, we are not being true to our sector (charities)

Thank you

Nick Dumpty / President Elect of the UK Wet Lettuce Society

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk<mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Terry Lee
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I went to a presentation delivered by Matthew Barraclough from the BBC about this in July 2016 (at Centre For Community Journalism, Cardiff). In my notes I wrote:

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…Matthew Barraclough from the BBC was answering questions about 2 new BBC initiatives that would specifically appeal to Centre for Community Journalism) C4CJ audience – ‘150 reporters scheme’ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/bbc-nma-partnership) & ’newsbank’ (mentioned in link also).

150 reporters (basically, across UK 150 reporters are funded by the BBC to cover local council meetings etc, but share their news with other local news orgs) scheme… they want to employ new people ‘with relevant experience’.

News-bank –  Features local video and audio content produced by BBC, soon after initial broadcast.

Both of these schemes are for online and print only, not broadcast. Both are the BBC showing commitment to supporting local journalism.

Not sure if that at all useful!

Terry Lee

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Radio LaB Coordinator
University of Bedfordshire

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Phil

This has been bubbling under for  a year or so without any noticeable action. It might be something CMA could raise in context of MoU?

If reporters were only assigned to local papers this would still provide some scope to get them involved in radio too. We have weekly slot for our local newspaper reporters to discuss that week's stories for example.

regards,

Clive

Radio Verulam 92.6FM

St Albans

On 2 Feb 2017, at 12:28, Phil Korbel wrote:

Hi all

BBC to fund 200 local democracy reporters to be based at local papers, reports to come to BBC, and then to 'others'.  Does anyone know if our sector will have access to this material?  Any chance of any of the posts coming to our stations and other parts of the sector?

http://www.prolificnorth.co.uk/2017/02/landmark-bbc-deal-with-regional-press-to-create-up-to-200-jobs-for-local-democracy-reporters/

Fascinating...

bests

Phil

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Please note that I work at Radio Regen under 2 days a week so responses might not be as quick as we'd like.  Many thanks.

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