[cma-l] FW: It's your CMA! Talk to us.

Mon Dec 19 17:28:45 GMT 2016

Rhys

I’m glad to see that your experience is different and that you have never had that problem. I would imagine though that you guys have a bigger pool of choice in a City like Cardiff as opposed to us out here in 2 Sheep, 5 Cow-pats and a family of Hedgehog Land.

Horses for Courses I suppose.

I can only report on what I have seen personally. I don’t think either of us are right or wrong – we’re just saying ‘what is’ according to the way the Land lies

regards

Nick

From: Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) [mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org] 
Sent: 19 December 2016 17:20
To: office at thethread.org.uk; The Community Media Association Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] FW: It's your CMA! Talk to us.

"We have had Presenters / Volunteers  (whatever you want to call them) disappear rather quickly the moment they have been asked to do something outside of doing a show. "

Well that isn't what we experience. We find that more of our volunteers want "a say" in the station and want to do other things than just turn up and do their shows - and in fact what we need more of are some people who are willing to just come and do a show, but do it reliably without letting us down at short notice. 

"their own agenda is first and our agenda is second fiddle. You can argue the point if you want, I just think you’re kidding yourself."

I'm not arguing that - I'm just questioning why that is a problem? If their agenda is to be on the radio and your agenda is to get people to present on your radio station.... 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:14 PM Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk <mailto:office at thethread.org.uk> > wrote:

I think you have taken it literally Rhys and missed the point I was making. All of us do things because we like doing them, we don’t do things we don’t like if you want to strip it down to its bare bones.

You’ve technically agreed with what I said.

Why does it matter if they volunteer for themselves only ??????????    I’ll tell you why in one fell swoop ------- it’s fine providing you’ve got the other folk in the background doing the donkey work and the less glamourous stuff. We have had Presenters / Volunteers  (whatever you want to call them) disappear rather quickly the moment they have been asked to do something outside of doing a show. Plus ---- there’s then the argument of the stampede who turn up and they all want to present a dance show ……. We don’t need 20 Presenters doing a dance show, we need them to learn how to Present local content for example – and hey presto, when they can’t ram David Guetta down everyones throats, they ‘do one’

These are the facts, I’m not making it up and can see a lot of folk reading this nodding their heads in agreement and/or at least acknowledgement.

You are right, they are volunteering for what we want them to do (of course)   we want people to present shows ----- but let’s not get carried away, that’s not why these type of people are here ….. their own agenda is first and our agenda is second fiddle. You can argue the point if you want, I just think you’re kidding yourself.

In this case, the proof of the pudding is always in the eating. That’s a Christmas Pudding of course    :)

Nick Dumpty

From: Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) [mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org <mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org> ] 
Sent: 19 December 2016 14:56
To: office at thethread.org.uk <mailto:office at thethread.org.uk> ; The Community Media Association Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> >
Subject: Re: [cma-l] FW: It's your CMA! Talk to us.

Why does it matter if they are "volunteering for themselves"? I volunteer for a number of different organisations and in all cases, I am getting something out of it for myself as well as contributing to the organisation in question. Besides, we need people to present shows so if they are volunteering to present shows for free, they are indeed volunteering for "what we would like them to do".

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 1:58 PM Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk <mailto:office at thethread.org.uk> > wrote:

Everyone seems to be forgetting one crucial thing though. And please please, this isn’t being disrespectful it being factual. In our trade 75% (and on this figure I’m being lenient)    of the Volunteers don’t actually volunteer for what we would like them to do for us, they volunteer for themselves (because it’s Radio)

How many ‘’’show AND go’’’ have you got ?        plenty I bet 

Basically there are good volunteers, there are fair to middling volunteers and then there are those who are only in it for what they can get out of it ---- they’re not volunteers, they are participants but get put down as volunteers. However, the argument against is if you don’t have show and go volunteers/participants you end up with just a jukebox

It’s all about a fine balance, which I think is where we came in earlier

All the best

Nick

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>  [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> ] On Behalf Of Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff)
Sent: 19 December 2016 00:44
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> >

Cc: chair at commedia.org.uk <mailto:chair at commedia.org.uk> 
Subject: Re: [cma-l] It's your CMA! Talk to us.

The reason for having one word is surely just for ease of talking - in fact is it not why you chose to use that word in the first place? Because listing all the specific roles the volunteers do would be cumbersome in conversation?

I work for a large aerospace company as an engineer. They refer to all of us as "employees" - should I expect them each time they refer to the workforce to instead say "engineers, researchers, technicians, HR personnel, finance guys, lawyers, caterers, cleaners...."? Having one word to describe the group of people is a just practical.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:41 PM Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com <mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com> > wrote:

Why do we think we need a blanket word to cover all of them?
That's just lazy thinking and in reality puts them down.
if we're all "volunteers" - then it's hardly a useful description.
Thinking only about the people who work unpaid at radio stations that brought this up - instead of trying to classify them all by an arbitrary status - give them the privilege of acknowledging  what they do.
Contributor - stakeholder - partner - member -  associate - colleague - participant.
Take your pick.

Ian Hickling

Partner

 <http://www.transplanuk.com/> 

Office:  <tel:01635%20578435> 016 3557 8435  (07h to 22h GTS)

Car:  <tel:07530%20980115> 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)

6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS

  _____  

From:  <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk < <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Alan Coote < <mailto:alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk> alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk>
Sent: 18 December 2016 18:32
To:  <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Cc:  <mailto:chair at commedia.org.uk> chair at commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l] [***SPAM***] Re: It's your CMA! Talk to us. 

‘Volunteers’… Firefighter,  Lifeboat Crew,  Police Constable…

Far from unprofessional and very worthwhile I think you’d agree?

Alan

From: < <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of " <mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com> transplanfm at hotmail.com" < <mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com> transplanfm at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: " <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk" < <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Date: Sunday, 18 December 2016 at 13:49
To: " <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk" < <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Cc: " <mailto:chair at commedia.org.uk> chair at commedia.org.uk" < <mailto:chair at commedia.org.uk> chair at commedia.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] It's your CMA! Talk to us.

Why?
 Because it's so unprofessional - it doesn't really give anyone any confidence.
And it's too vague - about as useful as "a member of the public".
Yes - most of us do what we do without payment because we see a need and we want to fill it - but surely we don't all need to wear the same arbitrary label?

Ian Hickling

Partner

 <http://www.transplanuk.com/> 

Office:  <tel:01635%20578435> 016 3557 8435  (07h to 22h GTS)

Car:  <tel:07530%20980115> 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)

6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS

  _____  

From:  <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk < <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) < <mailto:rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>
Sent: 16 December 2016 18:02:03
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Cc:  <mailto:chair at commedia.org.uk> chair at commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] It's your CMA! Talk to us. 

Hi Ian, 

Why do you say 'volunteer' is an awful word? I don't understand your point volunteers effectively managing the station - isn't that the norm for community radio? That there is no paid staff and it's run by volunteers?

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 09:55 Ian Hickling, <transplanfm at hotmail.com <mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com> > wrote:

I think we all appreciate your sympathy and advice Lucinda, thank you.
In terms of a potential Licence terms breach - we always advise that Ofcom is formally notified as soon as anything untoward happens - and then they can respond to any complainant that they are aware of the problem.
The volunteer situation is far more complex and there isn't a one-size-fits-all solution.
Management is the key - closely aligned with good commercial practice and sound financial common-sense.
We see far too many potentially good CR stations where the volunteer (awful word) aspect effectively manages the station - and a camel/committee situation is the result.

Ian Hickling

Partner

 <http://www.transplanuk.com/> 

Office:  <tel:01635%20578435> 016 3557 8435  (07h to 22h GTS)

Car:  <tel:07530%20980115> 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)

6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS

  _____  

From:  <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk < <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Lucinda Guy < <mailto:chair at commedia.org.uk> chair at commedia.org.uk>
Sent: 15 December 2016 19:54
To:  <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l] It's your CMA! Talk to us. 

Dear All, 

Like many of us, I was saddened to hear the announcement that two community radio stations switch off their transmitters this week. This is a tragedy for the residents of both Spalding and Cheddar, who have lost vital opportunities to have their voices heard, and experience the joy of community radio as both participants and listeners.

The CMA very much wants to help in these situations - but we can't unless we know what is going on. As someone put it to me today, we don't have an alarm in the CMA batcave every time a station is in trouble.

It may sound obvious, but please let us know how things are for you. For example, if someone has made a formal complaint to Ofcom and you may be in breach of your licence, how you handle the next steps can make a huge difference. If you find yourself in this situation, phone the CMA office straight away, or email Bill and ask his advice. He has helped many licensed stations through these kind of problems..

If your issue is volunteers then please contact me directly, using the  <mailto:chair at commedia.org.uk> chair at commedia.org.uk email and I will find time to have a chat. Whether you have too many volunteers, not enough, or just the wrong kind, there will be a way through the situation. 

While I'm here I'd like to congratulate both Tulip Radio and Pulse on their achievements over the years. I'm sure that their impact on their local communities will have lasting effects, even if they are not still around to broadcast about it. I wish all their staff, directors and volunteers well with whatever they do next.

Lucinda

-- 

Lucinda Guy
Chair, Community Media Association

  <https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1HkxZuA8SOSNFlIdHgwbnVLbTA&revid=0B1HkxZuA8SOSNE1FUldUSk9wM0FnOVdJNkVjZ2VrKy9ueFB3PQ> 

  <https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aYmlsbGJlc3RjbWFAZ21haWwuY29t&type=zerocontent&guid=776d2a50-8bed-4f04-b8b1-bc19ec31cfae> ᐧ

  <https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aYmlsbGJlc3RjbWFAZ21haWwuY29t&type=zerocontent&guid=60e4cde9-1fa1-4dfb-8b7f-1e28364aafc0> ᐧ

_______________________________________________

Reply - cma-l at commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l at commedia.org.uk> 

The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk
Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation
Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/
_______________________________________________

Mailing list guidelines: http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/
_______________________________________________

To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:
http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l

_______________________________________________ Reply - cma-l at commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l at commedia.org.uk>  The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Mailing list guidelines: http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/ _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit: http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l

_______________________________________________

Reply - cma-l at commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l at commedia.org.uk> 

The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk
Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation
Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/
_______________________________________________

Mailing list guidelines: http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/
_______________________________________________

To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:
http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l

_______________________________________________

Reply - cma-l at commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l at commedia.org.uk> 

The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk
Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation
Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/
_______________________________________________

Mailing list guidelines: http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/
_______________________________________________

To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:
http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l

_______________________________________________

Reply - cma-l at commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l at commedia.org.uk> 

The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk
Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation
Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/
_______________________________________________

Mailing list guidelines: http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/
_______________________________________________

To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:
http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/pipermail/cma-l/attachments/20161219/0bc355ad/attachment.html>