[cma-l] PPL & PRS for Music Joint Licence for Community Radio

Fri Dec 2 09:47:05 GMT 2016

Ian, I don’t have time to check, maybe you could? You should find that copyright holders don’t have an exclusive deal with PRS/PPL in the UK.

So as James suggests, you could set up a separate agency to sign up a few record companies and artist whose tracks you’d play more than those in PRS/PPL. 

You could also call it ‘Non Needle Time’ for nostalgia’s sake. ;)

Alan 

From: <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of James Cridland <james at cridland.net>
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Date: Thursday, 1 December 2016 at 23:57
To: "cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk" <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] PPL & PRS for Music Joint Licence for Community Radio

Ian, when all around us the world is going mad, it's a wonderful thing to see you still requiring efficient and pedantically correct use of the English language.

When I reach agreement with someone wanting to use media.info's data, I give them a licence to use that data in the way we have agreed. I don't have to be a licensing authority for that. A good definition is (from Wikipedia, as it happens):

>> A licensor may grant a license under intellectual property laws to authorize a use (such as copying software or using a (patented) invention) to a licensee, sparing the licensee from a claim of infringement brought by the licensor. A license under intellectual property commonly has several components beyond the grant itself, including a term, territory, renewal provisions, and other limitations deemed vital to the licensor. <<

...which is exactly what is happening here. PRS/PPL are representatives of the record companies, performers and composers, all of whom have intellectual property of value. PRS/PPL licence their material on their behalf.

There is no "entitlement under law" for PRS/PPL to exist, which is why everyone's ignoring your requests to see one. Indeed, you are very welcome to reach individual agreements with each and every record company, composer and publisher to broadcast their material. I've had to do this before, for a live concert, and let me tell you how much fun it isn't: everyone wants slightly different terms for slightly different durations, and I remember having to faithfully promise to Moby's management that we'd turn off a live stream and only broadcast it on the radio. Of course I remembered to do that, and didn't leave the stream running.

Whatever you might think of PRS/PPL, it's certainly true that these changes cut the costs for community radio by significantly simplifying the paperwork. It's hard to really argue against that, but I appreciate your efforts.

Would you be able to colour your emails in blue ink, in future? I find it a useful colour code.

//j

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 at 03:17 Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com> wrote:

That's Stanford University and US law - no relevance over here fortunately.

Ian Hickling

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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Tony Bailey <ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk>
Sent: 01 December 2016 16:39:26
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] PPL & PRS for Music Joint Licence for Community Radio 

The term "licence" or "license" is used by an authority but it has also been used to give rights under an agreement:

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/introduction/permission-tools-licenses-and-releases/

Tony Bailey

On 01/12/16 14:03, Ian Hickling wrote:

That's very informative - thank you.

But they've left out (or - Heaven forbid - ignored) two important aspects of the responses to their Joint Consultation:

1 - If this is a Licence - as opposed to a Service Charge - why isn't it issued by the only Licensing Authority in the system - which is Ofcom?  PRSfM and PPL are commercial businesses - not Licensing Authorities

2 - Despite many requests - there is still no categorical statement as to why PRSfM and PPL are entitled in Law to claim these payments - and precisely where this is written in UK Legislation.

Sorry - I know I've asked this many times before - but it's something we do need to have laid before us - and by the very people who are making these far-reaching demands.

My feeling is that broadcasters large and small who part with their hard-earned cash before being happy with the answers are rather unwise.

This isn't going to go away.
It makes no odds to us - we don't pay these charges - it's you out there, our friends and loyal Clients, that I'm concerned about.

Ian Hickling

Partner

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