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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ian, I don’t have time to check, maybe you could? You should find that copyright holders don’t have an exclusive deal with PRS/PPL in the UK.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So as James suggests, you could set up a separate agency to sign up a few record companies and artist whose tracks you’d play more than those in PRS/PPL. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You could also call it ‘Non Needle Time’ for nostalgia’s sake. ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alan <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of James Cridland <james@cridland.net><br><b>Reply-To: </b>"cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" <cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, 1 December 2016 at 23:57<br><b>To: </b>"cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" <cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cma-l] PPL & PRS for Music Joint Licence for Community Radio<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ian, when all around us the world is going mad, it's a wonderful thing to see you still requiring efficient and pedantically correct use of the English language.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>When I reach agreement with someone wanting to use <a href="http://media.info">media.info</a>'s data, I give them a licence to use that data in the way we have agreed. I don't have to be a licensing authority for that. A good definition is (from Wikipedia, as it happens):<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> A licensor may grant a license under intellectual property laws to authorize a use (such as copying software or using a (patented) invention) to a licensee, sparing the licensee from a claim of infringement brought by the licensor. A license under intellectual property commonly has several components beyond the grant itself, including a term, territory, renewal provisions, and other limitations deemed vital to the licensor. <<<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>...which is exactly what is happening here. PRS/PPL are representatives of the record companies, performers and composers, all of whom have intellectual property of value. PRS/PPL licence their material on their behalf.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is no "entitlement under law" for PRS/PPL to exist, which is why everyone's ignoring your requests to see one. Indeed, you are very welcome to reach individual agreements with each and every record company, composer and publisher to broadcast their material. I've had to do this before, for a live concert, and let me tell you how much fun it isn't: everyone wants slightly different terms for slightly different durations, and I remember having to faithfully promise to Moby's management that we'd turn off a live stream and only broadcast it on the radio. Of course I remembered to do that, and didn't leave the stream running.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Whatever you might think of PRS/PPL, it's certainly true that these changes cut the costs for community radio by significantly simplifying the paperwork. It's hard to really argue against that, but I appreciate your efforts.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Would you be able to colour your emails in blue ink, in future? I find it a useful colour code.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>//j<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 at 03:17 Ian Hickling <<a href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div id="m_-356480402970967208divtagdefaultwrapper"><p class=gmailmsg><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=gmailmsg><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>That's Stanford University and US law - no relevance over here fortunately.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div id="m_-356480402970967208divtagdefaultwrapper"><p class=gmailmsg><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="m_-356480402970967208Signature"><div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal style='line-height:17.05pt;background:white'><span class=gmailmsg1><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:#222222'>Ian Hickling</span></span><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:#444444'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal style='line-height:17.05pt;background:white'><span class=gmailmsg1><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:#222222'>Partner</span></span><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:#444444'><br><br><span class=gmailmsg1><a href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=190 height=60 id="m_-356480402970967208ecx_x005f_x0000_i1025" src="http://www.transplanuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/transplan_UK_weblogo_190x60.png"></span></a></span><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal style='line-height:17.05pt;background:white'><span class=gmailmsg1><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#222222'>Office: <a href="tel:01635%20578435" target="_blank">016 3557 8435</a> (07h to 22h GTS)</span></i></span><span style='color:#444444'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal style='line-height:17.05pt;background:white'><span class=gmailmsg1><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#222222'>Car: <a href="tel:07530%20980115" target="_blank">075 3098 0115</a> (only responds when driving)</span></i></span><span style='color:#444444'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal style='line-height:17.05pt;background:white'><span class=gmailmsg1><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#222222'>6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</span></i></span><span style='color:#444444'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="m_-356480402970967208divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> <<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>> on behalf of Tony Bailey <<a href="mailto:ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk" target="_blank">ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> 01 December 2016 16:39:26<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] PPL & PRS for Music Joint Licence for Community Radio</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The term "licence" or "license" is used by an authority but it has also been used to give rights under an agreement:<br><br><a href="http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/introduction/permission-tools-licenses-and-releases/" target="_blank">http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/introduction/permission-tools-licenses-and-releases/</a><br><br>Tony Bailey<br><br>On 01/12/16 14:03, Ian Hickling wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id="m_-356480402970967208divtagdefaultwrapper"><p class=gmailmsg><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg>That's <span class=gmailmsg1>very informative - thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg>But they've left out (or - Heaven forbid - ignored) two important aspects of the responses to their Joint Consultation:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg>1 - If this is a Licence - as opposed to a Service Charge - why isn't it issued by the only Licensing Authority in the system - which is Ofcom? <span class=gmailmsg1>PRSfM and PPL are commercial businesses - not Licensing Authorities</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg>2 - Despite many requests - there is still no categorical statement as to why PRSfM and PPL are entitled in Law to claim these payments - and precisely where this is written in UK Legislation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg>Sorry - I know I've asked this many times before - but it's something we do need to have laid before us - and by the very people who are making these far-reaching demands.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg>My feeling is that broadcasters large and small who p<span class=gmailmsg1>art with their hard-earned cash before being happy with the answers are rather unwise.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg><span class=gmailmsg1>This isn't going to go away.</span><br><span class=gmailmsg1>It makes no odds to us - we don't pay these charges - it's you out there, our friends and loyal Clients, that I'm concerned about.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmailmsg><o:p> </o:p></p><div id="m_-356480402970967208Signature"><div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal><span class=gmailmsg1>Ian Hickling</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal><span class=gmailmsg1>Partner</span><br><br><span class=gmailmsg1><a href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" target="_blank"><b><span lang=EN-US style='text-decoration:none'>Error! Filename not specified.</span></b></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal><span class=gmailmsg1><i>Office: <a href="tel:01635%20578435" target="_blank">016 3557 8435</a> (07h to 22h GTS)</i></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal><span class=gmailmsg1><i>Car: <a href="tel:07530%20980115" target="_blank">075 3098 0115</a> (only responds when driving)</i></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=m-356480402970967208ecxmsonormal><span class=gmailmsg1><i>6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</i></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br><br>Reply - <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br><br>The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><br>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/community_media</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br>Canstream Internet Radio & Video: <a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Mailing list guidelines: <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:<br><a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ Reply - cma-l@commedia.org.uk The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Mailing list guidelines: http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/ _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit: http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>