[cma-l] cma-l Digest, Vol 77, Issue 38

Wed Sep 9 19:29:39 BST 2015

DAB vs FM? There is the third way (as mentioned) on-line. PC, Laptop,
Tablet and now many people have smart phones. No need to go out and buy a
DAB radio and there's plenty of ways to hook up your smart phone to your
car stereo.

Like Phil says DAB may be fine for large urban area but out here on the
remote Lincolnshire Coast, like rural wiltshire, maybe not.

On-line may not be true to the definition of 'radio' but then again when
did anyone last 'dial' a phone.

Brian Wesley
Coastal FM

(Yes, I know it's Coastal "FM", we still live in hope.)

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:20 PM, <vwradio at aol.com> wrote:

> Well said Phil !
>
> This really should not be getting nasty.
>
> I have 3 DAB radios - had one since day 1 but sad to say I hardly ever
> listen on DAB due to the low quality and bad coverage.
>
> If I want to listen to Solent, Wave, Heart or Radio 2 it's always on FM.
>
> I support your view that DAB is not yet the best fit for rural community
> stations
>
> Steve
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: fantasy office <office at fantasyradio.co.uk>
> To: cma-l <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>; james <james at cridland.net>
> Sent: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:20
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] cma-l Digest, Vol 77, Issue 38
>
> Oh dear oh dear.
>
> I really didn’t want to get into a conflict over this. As a radio bloke
> since 1974, I’m too long in the tooth to lock horns with anybody,
> especially you James. Respect!
>
> But I was there at the start of commercial radio in the UK as well as
> seeing the start of *all* things digital, and I had high hopes for DAB
> twenty years ago, but with the pathetic marketing, (in particular, the TV
> ads) confusing information and poor coverage and performance in many areas,
> as well as many DAB stations falling by the wayside, it really hasn’t
> really turned out all that well has it?
>
> Thank you for pointing out the figures for me. DAB just over a quarter, as
> confirmed by David. That’s fine. As you say, facts is facts.
>
> I understand the enthusiasm for DAB in some areas, but rural Wiltshire
> just ain’t London. (more Respect!)
>
> In my original post I said I was frustrated by the DAB issue and I’m
> afraid, James, your response has not helped. I’m certainly not anti
> digital, we use a lot of digital technology, for OBs, transmitter links,
> and we’ve been on line for years. I’m not even anti DAB – I just can’t see
> it working for us in Wiltshire. Like I said, London is different.
>
>
>
> You said ‘I'll never find you if you're on a tinpot FM transmitter at the top of a caravan, because I don't listen to FM. How many more people are there like me? Why do you bother broadcasting online?’
>
>
>
> This is a bit much really. You clearly know nothing about us or our
> listeners…and why would we NOT go online?
>
> I could have been offended by some of your comments, but I’m bigger than
> that. Perhaps you’d like to visit us and see how we do it here in the
> country?
>
> Phil Dawson
> FANTASY RADIO 97FM
> Devizes,
> Wiltshire
>
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> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 21:26:50 +0000
> From: James Cridland <james at cridland.net> <james at cridland.net>
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> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:10 PM fantasy office <office at fantasyradio.co.uk> <office at fantasyradio.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> And when Digital listening figures are quoted, DAB is always included with
> all other forms of digital listening. No-one ever seems to give us the
> ACTUAL DAB figures. And I mean LISTENING, not just DAB ownership.
>
>
> Yeah, completely agree. How DARE the radio industry hide these figures away
> from us?
> http://go.muk.fm/oh-wait-here-they-are<http://go.muk.fm/except-actually-they-dont> <http://go.muk.fm/except-actually-they-dont> - for future reference, it's
> on the RAJAR website, under 'listening figures - market trends'. The very
> top, 'all radio listening', chart. It's IRRESPONSIBLE to hide the figures
> away by publishing them as the top chart on the main radio listening
> website and available to anyone.
>
> More evidence that the radio industry is desperately trying to tell anyone
> the ACTUAL DAB figures is the top line in the Digital Radio UK press
> release:https://media.info/radio/news/rajar-dab-growth-boosts-digital-listening-to-40 -
> and I mean LISTENING as well as DAB ownership. It's a conspiracy in plain
> sight. How dare they tell us these very figures?
>
>
>
> Even digital listening as a whole hasn't yet reached 50% - which means
> OVER 50% of listening is analogue.
>
>
> In the London area, analogue listening is 45.9% - that's UNDER 50% - and
> digital radio listening is 47.3%, which is MORE than analogue radio.
> (There's "don't knows" to bear in mind, by the way). And if community radio
> was in RAJAR, your figures would count, but since you're not, they don't.
>
>
>
> And remember - DAB is over twenty years old now!
>
>
> And remember - it took 43 years for FM listening to overtake AM listening
> in the US! (So, DAB is growing faster than FM did. A stupid argument, but
> facts is facts).
>
>
>
> As far as cost to the broadcaster is concerned, DAB is completely
> outpriced.
>
>
> It's cheaper to broadcast a national radio station on DAB than it is on
> analogue. But it is very expensive for smaller local broadcasters. Good job
> there's work going on to fix that.
>
>
>
> Why would we want to spend money on a local multiplex, either as an owner
>
>
> Because you can rent out the space to other broadcasters and make money
> from it.
>
>
>
> or as a client? when our FM signal is very good.
>
>
> Because you want people to listen? Just as many people never bother
> flicking over to AM, households with DAB may never bother flicking over to
> FM, and they'll never find you.
>
>
>
> [FM] It's in Stereo and the audio quality is not compromised by reduced
> bit rates.
>
>
> The stereo-ness and audio quality of DAB is up to the broadcaster, it's not
> a technology issue. Mono means a reduction of about 40% of the price of
> stereo; and if you don't think stereo is worth 40% more, that's up to you.
>
>
>
> As for any additional PRS or PPL, or even OFCOM costs for DAB
>
>
> ...you get a great deal on community radio music licences right now, and
> there's no such thing as a community radio music licence for DAB. If you
> believe you'd be better on a commercial radio music licence, that's
> something for the CMA to take up with the relevant companies. And I believe
> you pay extra for online streaming too?
>
>
>
> I've asked the question before... Where does anyone think the money will
> come from? We can't attract more listeners
>
>
> ...why not? I'll never find you if you're on a tinpot FM transmitter at the
> top of a caravan, because I don't listen to FM. How many more people are
> there like me? Why do you bother broadcasting online?
>
>
>
> and even if we could, I doubt if our advertisers would be keen to pay
> additional rates because we're on DAB.
>
>
> Why should they pay additional rates for DAB? They pay on results, as any
> advertiser does. If you have twice the amount of audience, you should
> charge twice as much to advertisers.
>
>
>
> I think the DAB thing, even with the fine efforts made by the technical
> people within OFCOM is an unnecessary compication.
>
>
> One that is used over four times as much as online streaming, which is
> hardly complication-free.
>
>
>
> We also do fine with digital broadcasting - online listening on computer,
> ipad, smartphone. Stereo, reasonable bit rate, etc.
>
>
> Yep, just like DAB, the bitrate and stereo is entirely up to you and your
> budget. Unlike DAB, however, online radio listening costs you more money
> per listener; doesn't have brilliant coverage either; is a fourth of the
> size of DAB listening, and is growing slower than DAB listening.
>
>
>
> Sorry this has turned into a rant, but quite clearly, we're in danger of
> missing the point.
>
>
> Sorry this has been a point by point rebuttal, but this type of incessant
> whinging, false accusation and fantasy argument highlights how ridiculous
> this argument is.
>
> Your job is to make great, relevant content for your audience, and place
> that content in a place where the audience want to consume it. That's all.
>
> (And to think that the pro-DAB lobby accuse me of being anti-DAB!)
>
> //j
>
> My weekly 'future of radio' newsletter is less ranty:http://james.cridland.net/
>
>
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