[cma-l] The Cost Of The DAB Trials

[Alan Coote]

Alex, I guess they¹ve done it on streaming capacity rather than per stream
to make it easier to verify. Although I bet they would have to seriously
consider the value of pursuing a station for the money given the small
difference to them.

It seems to me that PRS/PPL/MCPS are all stuck between a rock and a hard
place. On the one hand they are obliged to seek fees for use of member¹s
material, but on the other they often appear petty and money grabbing.

As content producers, I have a slightly different view than I did when
running a station. It¹s extremely annoying knowing that some nefarious
characters would rather rip and editing our programmes than register for a
pucker copy.

If only independent producers had an equally aggressive agency.
      
Alan


From:  "tlr at gairloch.co.uk" <tlr at gairloch.co.uk>

Reply-To:  "tlr at gairloch.co.uk" <tlr at gairloch.co.uk>
Date:  Thursday, 12 March 2015 23:56
To:  "cma-l at commedia.org.uk" <cma-l at commedia.org.uk>, Thread
<office at thethread.org.uk>, James Cridland <james at cridland.net>
Subject:  Re: [cma-l] FW: The Cost Of The DAB Trials

   
  
 James 
  
   
  
 Actually I think if we were on the Community Radio PPL licence terms (which
is an option open to us) we might pay more than on the commercial radio
terms for simulcasting.
  
 As far as I know, PPL's Community Radio licence for a station with Internet
and DAB simulcasting is more expensive than it is for a micro commercial
station, owing to the effect of PPL's minimum fee structure.I think CR
licence holders would pay £1348 for  FM + DAB + 50 streams, or £1561 with
100 streams), compared with a £1218 minimum for commercial licencees with
Internet & DAB, but I'm not certain. Either way the difference isn't great.
  
   
  
 I don't see any basis for the Devil's argument that multiplatform should
not be 'thrown in'. A DAB simulcast would not serve any more people for us,
and In any case the number of people served is not a direct  factor in PPL's
licence rates. The principle underlying the Copyright Tribunal's ruling that
forms the basis for the charging relies on the station's net revenue being
an acceptable proxy for the real value of PPL's repertoire. The ruling also
had no provision for a minimum charge to be levied.
  
   
  
 Another niggle with PPL's licensing is that the Internet charge for CR
licencees is based on maximum number of streams permitted by the streaming
server, regardless of use. We used ot have a server capable of 100 streams
that rarely had more than 5 listeners - what concern is it of PPL's if for
whatever reason we elect to have an underutilized stream server?
  
   
  
 Alex 
  
   
  
>  On 12 March 2015 at 23:06 James Cridland <james at cridland.net> wrote:
>  
>   
> 
> Alex, you said:
>   
> 
>> >I see no justification for any additional charge simply because you are
>> available on two different types of radio.
>   
> 
> To play devil's advocate - if you paid the commercial radio rate, you don't
> pay extra for internet streaming nor for DAB simulcast.
>   
> 
> If you pay a lower amount for being a community station, you could argue that
> it is understandable that you don't get the multiplatform thrown in.
>   
> 
> I'd be interested to understand whether, if you are a community radio station
> on FM and you also stream online and broadcast on DAB, do you end up paying
> more than a commercial radio licence? I'm guessing not, but I don't know.
>   
> 
> (Lest you think I am backing PPL or PRS, a quick Google search will dissuade
> you of that thought)
>   
> 
> James
>   
  
   
 
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