[cma-l] FW: The Cost Of The DAB Trials

Thu Mar 12 23:06:09 GMT 2015

Alex, you said:

>I see no justification for any additional charge simply because you are
available on two different types of radio.

To play devil's advocate - if you paid the commercial radio rate, you don't
pay extra for internet streaming nor for DAB simulcast.

If you pay a lower amount for being a community station, you could argue
that it is understandable that you don't get the multiplatform thrown in.

I'd be interested to understand whether, if you are a community radio
station on FM and you also stream online and broadcast on DAB, do you end
up paying more than a commercial radio licence? I'm guessing not, but I
don't know.

(Lest you think I am backing PPL or PRS, a quick Google search will
dissuade you of that thought)

James

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 21:27 tlr at gairloch.co.uk <tlr at gairloch.co.uk> wrote:

>   To be honest Nick, much as I loathe PPL's approach, I don't see the
> problem with understanding the NET bit!
>
>  The Copyright Tribunal, who's decision underpins all this, decided that
> copyright royalties should not be levied on a radio station's *profits*
> (or for a non-profit body, its *surpluses*), but would be based instead
> on its *revenue,* whether or not the station manages to turn that into a
> profit or a loss. Otherwise no doubt big radio stations would do what big
> corporations do, and find creative ways of making their profits shrink for
> the purposes of taxes and royalties.
>
>  However, to allow for the fact that a proportion of the revenue has to be
> spent on commission and other overheads, such as the expenses of sponsored
> OBs, it was agreed that radio stations would actually be assessed after
> deduction of 15% and other allowable expenses from their gross revenue.
> After the deductions that's the NET broadcasting revenue, NBR, which is
> then assessed for royalties.
>
>  Nothing complicated - it's net in that it's what's left from your gross
> revenue after deduction of the assumed commission and allowed expenses. So
> it doesn't matter whether or not you are a 'non-profit', either by design
> or accident, PPL still gets its cut of your income derived from
> broadcasting (but not from grants, donations etc). A barter deal where you
> receive something in return for broadcasting something is also broadcast
> revenue.
>
>  The DAB licence thing is of course another question. In my opinion there
> is no justification for PPL to ask for extra money for a simulcast by DAB
> (nor by Internet). If having the extra delivery method enhances the value
> of your station then that will be reflected in increased revenues and they
> will get their cut automatically under the existing NBR arrangements. I see
> no justification for any additional charge simply because you are available
> on two different types of radio.
>
>   Alex
>
>
>
> On 12 March 2015 at 16:38 Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Canalside's The Thread [mailto:office at thethread.org.uk]
> *Sent:* 12 March 2015 14:02
> *To:* 'Geoff Rogers'
> *Subject:* RE: [cma-l] The Cost Of The DAB Trials
>
>
>
> What I don't understand and can't get my head around with all this PPL
> malarkey is whether someone is listening via FM, Internet or DAB there is
> still only one of them    ie:- one person. I have never ever listened at
> the same time to a Radio Broadcast with all three in residence. In fact,
> there would be a milli-second delay between DAB and FM   I think ??   and
> in our case 30 seconds out of sync on the Internet stream ..........so, unless
> someone can tell me otherwise, the person listening is still one person
> listening to one show via one mode. So why the extra charges anyway ????
> sorry chaps, I don't get that one ?
>
>
>
> I repeat again ............it's a half legalised money making racket ........................
> nothing more and nothing less
>
>
>
> I still have an issue with them   re:- reporting (contra deals)       we
> have a contra with the local Milkman, the local Newsagent and the local
> Printer ... my job is very intense and I am extremely busy, I do not put
> ticking off how many milk bottles we have a day as a priority so that we
> can work out a contra cost. It's a nonsense, as is all the reporting.
>
> I have said this before and I will say it again, they do not understand
> what NET means         I'm not interested in dividing the square roooooot
> of 24 by 85% and then taking away the number you first thought of because
> our end result every year is ZERO      we are not for profit and all monies
> go back in the project. Likewise, when we were £9000 in the red four years
> ago, I don't recall them offering a rebate.
>
>
>
> I'm not interested in them at all and I believe if it did go to the top we
> may have a good case if put together correctly.
>
>
>
> To be honest I am so confused with our Internet and FM and then Phase One
> another DAB = £500 on top plus reporting would possibly tip me over and I'd
> go doolally
>
>
>
> I have been trying to file our figures for the past two weeks ......the first
> quarter is on, but quarters 2,3 and 4 won't let me as they keep saying
> already reported, which I don''t think they have ....it's all a waste of time
> and effort and just causes angst. I can only speak for myself of course
> oh   and plenty of others who tell me so, but don't make their feelings
> known.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
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