[cma-l] Small Scale DAB
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Fri Mar 6 12:28:33 GMT 2015
Dear All
Is there any chance please that someone ‘’’in the know’’’ our
‘’’experts’’’ could place in laymans terms some straight to the point
figures ?? I for one, plus many others I would imagine, would like to see
them.
For example :- how much is the DSPS Licence ?? we don’t want to know the
tricks of the trade or the ways round the outside (sharing etc) just how
much over 12 months
.. is there a one off fee as well (start up fee) ?
how much for PPPPPP brigade ? how much for fitting and installing ? how
much for kit once the trial has taken place OR do we keep the kit ‘for
free’ give us all a ball park figure please.
I think a lot of the not so clued up tecky members (me included) are
getting slightly lost with all of this which isn’t good. I can understand
getting slightly lost during the process, but being lost before you’ve even
set foot out of the front door isn’t going to win any orienteering medals.
Come on chaps :- Ian / Alan / David / John / Mr Ofcom / Dr PPL / Sir PRS /
Uncle Tom Cobbley
Much appreciated
Thank you
Nick
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[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Coote
Sent: 06 March 2015 12:04
To: David Duffy; Clive Glover
Cc: CMA-L
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Small Scale DAB
We were approached a while ago by 2 content producers about teaming up and
sharing airtime on a multiplex.
After a lot of phone calls, Ofcom confirmed that DSPS licenses are required
by each service provider, even if they are sharing air time.
However, in our case the multiplex owner wanted a single contract with a
holding company rather than deal with individual DSPS holders. They felt it
gave them better security.
This highlighted several issues of working with other companies on a DAB
multiplex whose financial stability we had to rely on.
I’d suggest that stations should carefully consider what happens if the
partner companies don’t pay their way or go out of business.
And, it may be worth getting professional advise about setting up a limited
liability broadcast company to protect the underlying community station.
Kind Regards
Alan
From: David Duffy <david at theradiopeople.co.uk>
Date: Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:56
To: Clive Glover <clivegloveruk at gmail.com>
Cc: "cma-l at commedia.org.uk" <cma-l at commedia.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Small Scale DAB
Hi Clive,
Now I get it! That’s a very interesting proposition.
We are looking at creating/hosting a matchmaking service to introduce
content providers to multiplex operators - www.localDAB.co.uk/brokering -
where the additional content providers pay their own way (DSPS licence and
the two sets of copyright). We are also working with speech-only content
providers who have no copyright responsibilities! Ah the holy grail - to be
able to format a cost-effective speech station. It’s not as far off as
people might imagine and would certainly set your application apart from the
hefty competition for these ten licences.
I’d be interested in what Ofcom/PRS/PPL say - keep us posted.
David
www.localDAB.co.uk/faqs
On 5 Mar 2015, at 20:14, Clive Glover <clivegloveruk at gmail.com> wrote:
David
Thank you. I realise I didn't perhaps explain my point very well. As part of
the trial it is necessary to broadcast two services in a multiplex. If we
created an additional service it would need its own DSPS licence as well as
our needing a DSPS licence for our existing FM service to be broadcast on
DAB. So we would need two DSPS licenses plus two sets of copyright licenses.
So our thought - and question to OFCOM - was whether a time shifted version
of our existing FM service would be considered as a different service or
just as the same one so would not need a separate licence or copyright
licenses.
The difference is cost is substantial!
Clive Glover
Sent from my iPad
On 5 Mar 2015, at 19:39, David Duffy <david at theradiopeople.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Clive,
Unlike your current licence, which is for broadcasting on FM, a DSPS licence
allows your content to be broadcast (time-shifted or not) on a DAB platform.
So all content providers will require a DSPS licence if they don’t have one.
Ofcom should have been able to answer that straight away.
The PRS and PPL fees (as they apply) are for each platform on which you
broadcast. That’s why, in their returns, they ask which platforms
(AM/FM/Internet) you use.
The cost of a DSPS licence is £250 . The annual fee is £100. The DSPS
licence allows your service to be broadcast on a DAB multiplex (subject to
being accepted by the multiplex operators). So it’s value goes beyond this
trial and that’s why Ofcom did’t rescind the cost.
As you say ‘that’s radio for you’!
More info (including, shortly, an explanation of the 3 different equipment
configurations for the trial) can be found here www.localDAB.co.uk/faqs
David
On 5 Mar 2015, at 18:33, Clive Glover <clivegloveruk at gmail.com> wrote:
David
Being creative is part of CR of course. I have asked OFCOM (but not got a
response) if a + 1 hour service (i.e. our FM service time shifted) would
need to have a separate DSPS licence and the same question could be asked
of the copyright people I suppose. Otherwise participants in this trial will
need to spend a significant amount of money - over £1,000 - on DSPS licenses
for two services and copyright while almost nothing on the technical
equipment etc at the core of the trial. Seems barmy but that 's radio for
you!
Clive Glover
Radio Verulam, St Albans
On 4 Mar 2015, at 22:49, David Duffy wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick update regarding PRS and PPL liabilities for content providers
on the Small Scale DAB trial multiplexes.
We spoke with PPL today and they advised us they are levying the full £500
annual fee, payable in advance. PRS are reviewing the fee and their payment
terms (which are usually quarterly in advance). They advised a decision
would be forthcoming early next week. We’ll keep you posted.
There is also a great of uncertainty regarding which licences you might
need. However, we are advised that content providers will need to hold a
DSPS or DAS licence (or be eligible to acquire one within 12 weeks of the
multiplex owner being awarded their WTA licence). That is a separate
application/licensing process to the Small Scale DAB trial initiative.
There is a list of questions answered here www.localDAB.co.uk/faqs and we
are adding to them daily. There’s even a form for you to ask your own.
Please do!
All the best,
David
On 2 Mar 2015, at 13:03, David Duffy <david at theradiopeople.co.uk> wrote:
I just want to share that we have teamed up with transplan UK to offer help
and advice to any groups thinking of applying for the recently announced
small scale DAB broadcasting trials.
For those who may have missed it, following a consultation last year, Ofcom
has announced plans for up to ten trials of small scale DAB across the UK
allowing new digital radio services to broadcast to local areas, exploring
how groups of radio stations can work together. The trials are expected to
run for nine months and the deadline for applications is 3pm on 7 April
2015.
As we all know, the cost of broadcasting on DAB radio is currently beyond
the reach of many community radio stations. But this new initiative means
that stations could start broadcasting on DAB radio for a fraction of
current costs.
For those who don’t know, transplan UK is well respected for implementing
small and large scale stations. The Radio People has a successful track
record of winning licences on behalf of commercial and community
broadcasters. By coming together we hope to have everything covered from the
application through to implementation. Whilst Ofcom has invited applications
from commercial, community and Internet broadcasters as well as new entrants
to the sector, we want to make sure that community radio is well represented
both as operators of the multiplex or as a content provider on a mux.
If you have any questions whatsoever then you can email us on our joint
email team at localDAB.co.uk You can also follow the trials on Twitter
@localDAB <http://www.twitter.com/localDAB>
David
The Radio People
Email: david at theradiopeople.co.uk
Website: www.theradiopeople.co.uk <http://theradiopeople.co.uk/>
Twitter: @theradiopeople <http://www.twitter.com/theradiopeople>
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