[cma-l] PRS PPL and DAB trials

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I spoke to PPL and PRS some time ago, and was assured that PRS would not 
be charging an additional fee for the DAB trials, but PPL definitely 
said they would.

Where do they think the money's coming from?

Do they think the DAB trial will bring in lots of new listeners, so that 
our advertisers will be prepared to pay more for the 9 months of the trial?

The answer is no!...which is why we decided against making an 
application for DAB trial.

None of the community or small stations will gain ANY significant 
listenership over and above their FM audience... even if some people do 
migrate to DAB, it will be to the detriment of FM, so NO increase in 
audience size, NO extra revenue, and NO exploitation value to PPL or PRS 
members. It's just GREED.

Phil Dawson
FANTASY RADIO 97FM
Devizes, Wiltshire



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> Bruce and all - I'm writing a piece on this for media.info.
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> PPL have told me that PRS have not waived any fee, and are, in fact,
> charging ?750. I'd be keen to understand whether that's the case, and would
> appreciate, in confidence, any scans or copies of emails from PRS that give
> me a little more certainty about what's gone on here.
>
> //j
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> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:12 PM Bruce Rodger <bruce at celticmusicradio.net>
> wrote:
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>>
>> (should we be thinking about setting up  separate forum for those of us
>> involved in the small-scale DB trials?)
>>
>>
>> Has anyone had any discussion/negotiation regarding PPL and the
>> small-scale DAB pilot?
>>
>> Shortly after the announcement, PRS contacted us saying that there would
>> be no additional fees for the DAB pilot, assuming that the DAB service was
>> a simulcast of our FM service. Good news.
>>
>> PPL, on the other hand, contacted us today saying there would be a
>> ?500+VAT license for the 9 month period.
>>
>> This is despite
>>
>>
>>     - the DAB service is a pilot
>>     - the DAB service is a simulcast of our FM service
>>     - the DAB service covers broadly the same area as our FM service
>>     - The 500+VAT for 9 months for a pilot/development service is actually
>>     MORE than the equivalent fee for a production FM service! (159/quarter)
>>
>>
>> Does anyone else have difficulty understanding how they justify this?
>>
>> Bruce.
>>
>>
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