[cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

Thu Jul 2 12:49:28 BST 2015

And here is the issue again                are they working together as in
working together genuinely    or is one having the other one for a mug ???
I let you guess which one is which.

As I said yesterday, we couldn’t even rise to accolade of being a mug 
.the
chance would have been a fine thing, and at least that would have been a
start 

.. I know the BBC run lots of training courses and that is to be
applauded 
 I know this because quite a few of our folk have been on those
courses which have led to other things 
. As part of those courses do they
include courses on ‘’’manners’’’ and ‘’’politeness’’’   ???     if not,
perhaps they could introduce them. Especially for the Managers.

I’ve applied for a job at BBC Manchester in the banging ones head against a
brick wall department.

I hope we don’t lose the BBC though 

 it is an institution and I for one am
very proud of it 
.. a lot of my comments are tongue in cheek. I know the
Managers are very similar to me, lots to do and not enough time to do it.

Just taking five minutes out to tap this e-mail whilst I have my dinner and
all that jazz

Nick

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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
Sent: 02 July 2015 12:20
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

Ah - so that's what the words meant - thank you Alan.
I think all your points below are pretty obvious.

That's why I wrote that CR taking over from BBC Local is not going to happen
- but the two platforms could work well together - and in a few locations
are doing so already.

Ian Hickling

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:38:16 +0100
From: alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

Ian,

I’m pointing out the obvious, that there are orders of magnitude difference
in skills and resources between BBC radio and your average community
station. 

While I’ve worked with people at the BBC with no discernible talent, the
majority have been exceptionally good. They have to be to keep their jobs.
The talent pool in community radio is smaller. Which is not to the detriment
of the sector, stations or people, it’s just the way it is.

For community stations to offer a credible alternative or replacement to BBC
radio they need to demonstrate they too have enough skilled people who are
ready willing and able.  

As I’m sure you already know, companies look at market barriers to entry. If
they are too high and you can’t partner, then you’ll try to produce an
alternative which you can afford. 

The community radio sector isn’t geared up and also by definition shouldn’t
be trying to replace BBC Radio, it should partner or provide an alternative.

Kind Regards

Alan

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"transplanfm at hotmail.com"
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Date: Wednesday, 1 July 2015 15:20
To: "cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk"
Subject: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

Maybe it's me Alan - but I'm sorry - I don't understand "....the sum of the
spare capacity of a dozen community radio stations couldn’t properly
resource the output ...."

Could you expand on that please?

Ian Hickling

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:51:28 +0100
From: alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

An interesting idea however I struggle to see how the even the sum of the
spare capacity of a dozen community radio stations couldn’t properly
resource the output of even one BBC local radio station.  

Wouldn’t a better approach be to building on the CMA / BBC MoU to get so
many hours of local BBC radio airtime dedicated to community radio
programmes? 

Good luck. 

Alan 

From: <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Trevor Lockwood
Reply-To: Trevor Lockwood, "cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk"
Date: Wednesday, 1 July 2015 09:20
To: "cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk"
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

Donald

Keep the idea of 'fraction of the cost' quiet! BBC Local Radio spends over
£200 million (last time I looked). We can provide a much better service.

Tony: community media should encompass all forms of communication. 

To start with we need to create a small team - anyone willing please contact
me. 

Then we can ask CMA Council if our project can work within the CMA. Then
look at what grants/support/crowd funding is available to keep us in coffee
and biscuits.

Trevor Lockwood BSc FRSA
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From: Tony Bailey <ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk>
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2015, 14:27
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

One of the questions I've often asked is did we make a mistake back in the
80's in assuming that the only route for a truly local radio service was via
the then IBA.  Our original 1970's community radio project was formed as a
group to provide programming on the BBC "local" station.  The beeb of course
had no intention of providing community radio (unless forced to by someone
else doing it) and probably wouldn't have got involved in "local" radio
either had it not been for the threat of ILR.  Against this background it is
easy to see why the commercial route was thought by most people to be the
only one worth pursuing.  It is something of a minor miracle that community
radio exists at all when you look at the politics and vested interests that
surround it.  While we are on the subject of the statutory services, I feel
it should be pointed out that the national tv networks don't do very well in
"local" news provision either, the tv local news we now pay for (a couple of
stories and the footy), if you can find it in the schedules, is pretty poor
in my opinion.

Tony Bailey

On 30/06/15 11:41, Donald Mack wrote:

Hear hear.

We can demonstrate how CR benefits all sectors and all for a fraction of the
License Fee or its future equivalent.

Sign me up

On 29 June 2015 at 14:39 Trevor Lockwood  <mailto:lockwood at btinternet.com>
<lockwood at btinternet.com> wrote:

It's my belief that we should now develop a strategy for 2016 when the BBC
Charter is up for renewal.

It should present us for an excellent opportunity to argue our case to
replace the present BBC local radio structure.

We can present excellent arguments to support our case.

I'd be happy to be part of a working party that put that strategy together.

In the present and future climate within broadcasting this is the best
opportunity we shall ever have to expand our range, and provide a truly
local broadcasting network for this country.

Trevor Lockwood BSc FRSA
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