[cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

Wed Jul 1 18:03:06 BST 2015

Hi Nick.
I couldn't agree more.
AndyBay FM.

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From: Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk> 
Date: 01/07/2015  16:48  (GMT+00:00) 
To: 'The Community Media Association Discussion List' <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> 
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow 

Has it not been proven that Community
Radio gets dipped in and out of a lot more than Community TV ?     from what I
have learned and researched I for one do not know anyone who watches Community
TV in this area. OK, we only have 2 channels but has not the invention of the
likes of You Tube kinda mucked things up a bit ?    I always think that CTV
programmes just look like you tube but through a transmitter.

Personally, I think TV is an expensive
waste of resources and you can reach more people via Radio. Before someone
jumps in with a comparison please bear in mind that the reason our audiences aren’t
quite as big as we would like them to be is because we fall short slightly in
certain areas                   funding being one of them.

I did say in an e-mail dated back in 2011
when all the frustration was around that I felt the Government needed to sort
our Community Radio before going off mithering about Community TV ………….I
may upset a few here but I’m only thinking out loud ….. I think
Community TV on a big scale in this Country is a Huge White Elephant waiting to
stroll around the pen.

All that money could turn everyone of our Community
Radio Stations into little gemstones.

Defo getting back on the Wheel now, I only
past comment on this one because I fell off

Nick

From:
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[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of DAVE RUSHTON

Sent: 01 July 2015 16:24

To: The Community Media
Association Discussion List

Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and
Tomorrow

Dear List 

Local or community TV rarely features in the CMA list these days, but a
bit of a side-ways mention earlier in this thread prompts a response. 

Twenty years ago the CRA dropped the R in favour of M (for Media).
Common to both community radio and local TV (or a more localised and its social
enterprise community variations) is the need for spectrum to be assigned
according to less centrist demands. 

Underlying the points made recently on this thread is that broadcasting
each transmitter serves firstly a local or smaller or immediate footprint, a
footprint of audience the national network has commandeered for the initial
service priority, then partially devolved (again centrally) for regional (TV)
and local radio (and some local TV). 

The issue for the future is the extent to which a principle of
subsidiarity should be applied to frequency access so that (if we turn things
up side down, or the right way up!) spectrum that is unwanted for a service
from a single transmitter might then be aggregated according to local, regional
and national consensus, that is once the immediately community and local needs
have been met. 

So at each twelve year opportunity for BBC renewal we should question
how we use spectrum (from transmitters) to deliver public service and the scale
of public's served. This is fundamentally a local question for terrestrial
transmission. How spectrum is used from satellite is more often than not of
international interest. 

In my view the bias towards the national in networking, transmission
and (possibly) advertising timing and in centralising what is a primarily local
and community resource has in effect turned efforts for a genuinely locally
accountable local TV into a service less able to answer to those it serves than
to those who distribute it. 

Opportunities for a more federal network of local TV's were turned down
by Ofcom in favour of the less (centrally) threatening approach. 

Best,

Dave

Dr David Rushton

Institute
 of Local Television

Edinburgh

On 1 July 2015 at 13:08, Trevor Lockwood <lockwood at btinternet.com>
wrote:

Ian

I
don't do foolhardy. My suggestion does not involve the BBC at all - except as
external advisers, and possible job applicants.

Nick
is right that the BBC's attitude has always been condescending, and concerned
only with what CMA stations can give, not what the Beeb are prepared to share
or how they can learn. I'm frustrated by the BBC's inability to recognise we
are a reservoir of talent, and bored by their endless parade of mediocre
presenters and the safe but short playlist. They try to compete with commercial
radio and that is not their remit. They do not serve towns and villages very
well. 

You
may find a similar perception of the BBC is held elsewhere - it is of its time,
but that's not now. 

Costs
are a factor - but a good set of scenarios can be offered.

This
would not be solely a CMA project. The Radio Academy,
Sound Women, Prison Radio Association, Creative Skillset, Student Radio, the
Radio Independence Group, Project Everywhere and even the BBC Technology &
Systems all immediately spring to mind, and there are more, yet to be named,
including all our friends in the Community Media Forum Europe and all over the
world.

I'm
keen on the French model, with the government actively supporting any local
community station. We can multistream, use listen again, and the BBC has a
great archive, but we can have the same. We just need encouragement, and a
modicum of cash.

I'm
not sure that 'formulate individual content
and audience responsibility targets' is the next step.

We
need a small team - that is bursting with ideas, that is not prepared to accept
what exists unless it can prove its worth, and is prepared to challenge an
institution that has served its time well, but now needs to fade, like an old
codger, occasionally commenting from the sidelines 'oh no, you don't do it like
that!'

I
hope you will join in - it is a vision of the future.

Trevor
Lockwood BSc FRSA

Tel/mobile: 01394 27032801394 270328, 07746 474180607746 474186

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Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015,
12:28

Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and
Tomorrow

I hope everything goes a
little better than the last 3 escapades where meetings were held with the BBC,
excellent suggestions (from both sides) were expressed and then the end
result        er ?    it
never happened !                 
only to have yet another get-together whereby some of the original suggestions
went on a round Robin, did the repeat circuit only to end up against the brick
wall again.

When trying to sort the
follow ups out in a nice, softly softly, polite and sensible manner, I was met
with what can only be described as a ‘’holier than thou
attitude’’          sadly,
this was yet another unfortunate escapade. But hey ….. we soldier on and
keep chipping away   J

I voice my opinion not to
cause trouble or make waves but to highlight problems and to hope that those in
positions of authority can see the wider picture and sort the problems out.

So basically, all of this
I will believe it when I see it. Certainly a closer relationship between to two
would be advantageous. What won’t work and what ain’t going to
happen is Community Radio being used as a tool to get a cheap option for the
BBC services. They ought to be helping us first, so that we can then help them.
Not the other way round.

By the way, do we have a
date in the diary for the next pointless meeting ??     I
fancy a good jolly, I haven’t had one for six months    J

If any of our Stations do
Community TV, then maybe there is one programme we could take from the BBC and
lighten there load  how about Mr Alexanders – Pointless ? that would
work.

Keep chuckling chaps and
always wear a nice big
smile            
any news on the ‘possible’ daily current affairs ??

Regards

Nick

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling

Sent: 01 July 2015 11:09

To: Trevor Lockwood ; The
Community Media AssociationDiscussion List; ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk

Subject: [cma-l] Ofcom and
Tomorrow

I
think it's a little foolhardy to expect that either H M  Government or the
BBC itself will contemplate Community Radio completely taking over the position
currently occupied by BBC Local Radio.

The
two can happily work together with BBC Local then taking a more umbrella
approach with a reducing budget.

As we've said often - BBC Local serves towns and villages - Community Radio
serves streets and houses.

From
a content and technical viewpoint they can co-exist.

The
important next step is to formulate individual content and
audience responsibility targets - which will inevitably be
individually different.

I
don't do "team" or "committee" - but I'm happy
to contribute from a very close association with 20% of the CR market -

 and
indeed a valuable link with the DCMS.

Ian Hickling

Partner

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Date:
Wed, 1 Jul 2015 08:20:17 +0000

From: lockwood at btinternet.com

To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk

Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

Donald

Keep the idea of 'fraction of the cost' quiet! BBC Local Radio
spends over £200 million (last time I looked). We can provide a much better
service.

Tony: community media should encompass all forms of communication.

To start with we need to create a small team - anyone willing
please contact me. 

Then
we can ask CMA Council if our project can work within the CMA. Then look at
what grants/support/crowd funding is available to keep us in coffee and
biscuits.

Trevor
Lockwood BSc FRSA

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From: Tony Bailey <ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk>

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Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2015, 14:27

Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and
Tomorrow

One
of the questions I've often asked is did we make a mistake back in the 80's in
assuming that the only route for a truly local radio service was via the then
IBA.  Our original 1970's community radio project was formed as a group to
provide programming on the BBC "local" station.  The beeb of
course had no intention of providing community radio (unless forced to by
someone else doing it) and probably wouldn't have got involved in
"local" radio either had it not been for the threat of ILR. 
Against this background it is easy to see why the commercial route was thought
by most people to be the only one worth pursuing.  It is something of a
minor miracle that community radio exists at all when you look at the politics
and vested interests that surround it.  While we are on the subject of the
statutory services, I feel it should be pointed out that the national tv
networks don't do very well in "local" news provision either, the tv
local news we now pay for (a couple of stories and the footy), if you can find
it in the schedules, is pretty poor in my opinion.

Tony Bailey

On 30/06/15 11:41, Donald Mack wrote:

Hear
hear.

We
can demonstrate how CR benefits all sectors and all for a fraction of the
License Fee or its future equivalent.

Sign
me up

On
29 June 2015 at 14:39 Trevor Lockwood <lockwood at btinternet.com> wrote:

It's
my belief that we should now develop a strategy for 2016 when the BBC Charter
is up for renewal.

It
should present us for an excellent opportunity to argue our case to replace the
present BBC local radio structure.

We
can present excellent arguments to support our case.

I'd
be happy to be part of a working party that put that strategy together.

In
the present and future climate within broadcasting this is the best opportunity
we shall ever have to expand our range, and provide a truly local broadcasting
network for this country.

Trevor
Lockwood BSc FRSA

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