[cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow

Wed Jul 1 13:08:17 BST 2015

Ian
I don't do foolhardy. My suggestion does not involve the BBC at all - except as external advisers, and possible job applicants.
Nick is right that the BBC's attitude has always been condescending, and concerned only with what CMA stations can give, not what the Beeb are prepared to share or how they can learn. I'm frustrated by the BBC's inability to recognise we are a reservoir of talent, and bored by their endless parade of mediocre presenters and the safe but short playlist. They try to compete with commercial radio and that is not their remit. They do not serve towns and villages very well. 

You may find a similar perception of the BBC is held elsewhere - it is of its time, but that's not now. 

Costs are a factor - but a good set of scenarios can be offered.
This would not be solely a CMA project. The Radio Academy, Sound Women, Prison Radio Association, Creative Skillset, Student Radio, the Radio Independence Group, Project Everywhere and even the BBC Technology & Systems all immediately spring to mind, and there are more, yet to be named, including all our friends in the Community Media Forum Europe and all over the world.
I'm keen on the French model, with the government actively supporting any local community station. We can multistream, use listen again, and the BBC has a great archive, but we can have the same. We just need encouragement, and a modicum of cash.
I'm not sure that 'formulate individual content and audience responsibilitytargets' is the next step.
We need a small team - that is bursting with ideas, that is not prepared to accept what exists unless it can prove its worth, and is prepared to challenge an institution that has served its time well, but now needs to fade, like an old codger, occasionally commenting from the sidelines 'oh no, you don't do it like that!'

I hope you will join in - it is a vision of the future.

 Trevor Lockwood BSc FRSA
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk ]On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
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Subject: [cma-l] Ofcom andTomorrow    I think it's a little foolhardy to expect that either H M Government or the BBC itself will contemplate Community Radio completelytaking over the position currently occupied by BBC Local Radio. The two can happily work together with BBC Local thentaking a more umbrella approach with a reducing budget.
As we've said often - BBC Local serves towns and villages - Community Radioserves streets and houses. From a content and technical viewpoint they can co-exist. The important next step isto formulate individual content and audience responsibilitytargets - which will inevitably be individually different. I don't do "team" or "committee" - butI'm happy to contribute from a very close association with 20% of the CRmarket -  and indeed a valuable link with the DCMS.    Ian Hickling Partner

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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom and Tomorrow Donald 

 Keepthe idea of 'fraction of the cost' quiet! BBC Local Radio spends over £200million (last time I looked). We can provide a much better service.

 Tony:community media should encompass all forms of communication. 

 Tostart with we need to create a small team - anyone willing please contact me. 

 Thenwe can ask CMA Council if our project can work within the CMA. Then look atwhat grants/support/crowd funding is available to keep us in coffee andbiscuits.   Trevor Lockwood BSc FRSA
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom andTomorrow    Oneof the questions I've often asked is did we make a mistake back in the 80's inassuming that the only route for a truly local radio service was via the thenIBA.  Our original 1970's community radio project was formed as a group toprovide programming on the BBC "local" station.  The beeb ofcourse had no intention of providing community radio (unless forced to bysomeone else doing it) and probably wouldn't have got involved in "local"radio either had it not been for the threat of ILR.  Against thisbackground it is easy to see why the commercial route was thought by mostpeople to be the only one worth pursuing.  It is something of a minormiracle that community radio exists at all when you look at the politics andvested interests that surround it.  While we are on the subject of thestatutory services, I feel it should be pointed out that the national tvnetworks don't do very well in "local" news provision either, the tvlocal news we now pay for (a couple of stories and the footy), if you can findit in the schedules, is pretty poor in my opinion.

Tony Bailey

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On 29 June 2015 at 14:39 Trevor Lockwood <lockwood at btinternet.com>wrote: It'smy belief that we should now develop a strategy for 2016 when the BBC Charteris up for renewal.    Itshould present us for an excellent opportunity to argue our case to replace thepresent BBC local radio structure.    Wecan present excellent arguments to support our case.    I'dbe happy to be part of a working party that put that strategy together.    Inthe present and future climate within broadcasting this is the best opportunitywe shall ever have to expand our range, and provide a truly local broadcastingnetwork for this country.     Trevor Lockwood BScFRSA
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