[cma-l] Community Radio Order

Thu Jan 22 10:02:29 GMT 2015

Alan,

RAJAR does have its flaws, but you are not saying it's entirely useless, I
assume, and therefore it also has some credibility.

I'd be more keen to not slag off RAJAR, and instead, make statements about
community radio's audience that are rooted in some kind of fact. The 10m
figure is entirely false.

j

On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 9:43:31 AM Richard Berry <
richard.berry at sunderland.ac.uk> wrote:

>  I **think** I know what you're getting at Nick, and I agree with you.
> Audience size is just one measure of success for our sector. We could also
> talk about the number of people trained, diversity of content, or the
> voices that would have otherwise been excluded. If we are to use RAJAR
> terminology, the 'reach' is important to some of us. A community station
> aimed at the whole community should aim to reach everyone at some point in
> the year, or at least the 5 year licence. To an extent we are like the
> local library, not everyone comes, but they know where it is and that
> somewhere buried in the shelves there will be something for them there. But
> better than that, if there isn't they can put it there with our support.
> When it comes to clients I think there is a different conversation to be
> had. For example, is there benefit in being associated with a community
> station? And does that station reach people who are not being reached by
> other local media? In most cases the answers and 'yes' and 'yes'. Which
> brings us back to Pippa's point. I think there are multiple types of
> community stations, and multiple approaches to running them. Some of us
> come from radio backgrounds, some places like community arts and
> volunteering, and others directly into community radio as helpers and
> presenters. Some stations want to sound like good local radio stations (the
> way they used to be), for some it's a place of training, and others run
> diverse services where pop music is all but banned. That is our core
> strength, we are different, we'll all probably not agree on what's right,
> but we should support each other and build one sector.
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> Whatever today's order says there's bound to be disappointment, but then
> what one station dislikes about it, another may well celebrate as being the
> one thing they were hoping for. As I say, we're all different....
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> And with that, back to work
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> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Canalside's The
> Thread
> *Sent:* 21 January 2015 19:36
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> *To:* 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
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> You see guys, sorry to appear to be looking for an argument, but all of
> this ought to be irrelevant under the original launch of Community Radio.
> It is the fact that we have less or more listeners or the same that causes
> the problems. If we are going around saying we have more listeners than
> whoever ?   then the restrictions kinda come into play. I know they
> shouldn't and I know that if we have more listeners (or don't) it shouldn't
> matter. It ought to have no bearing on it. Sadly it has had a bearing and
> my point weeks ago, was that the message being sent out there now is all
> gobbledy gook.
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> Are we competing, are we not competing, if we are not ought we be, if we
> are should we not be  ??   it's a shambles .I believe Community Radio
> should be simplistic, it should be Que sera sera and restrictions should be
> no where in sight. Whatever will be will be and we all deal with it.
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> I don't care if we have more or less listeners than Silk ..why ?  because
> if Community Radio was running how it is meant to be, we would have enough
> funding from the Community Fund Pot, to pay for the essentials and core
> costs. In otherwords, if we were 100% voluntary, with folk wandering in
> willy nilly, we could still function in some way shape or form. This is
> with or without a Station manager and/or someone on sales
> etc                 I think this is how many saw Community Radio. Right or
> wrong, poor image or good image, it shouldn't matter as we ought to be able
> to function even if we are rag tag and bobtail.
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> Does everyone know where I am coming from here or am I waffling again ?
> I feel that we have lost our way, but it isn't exactly our fault. What the
> restrictions have done, along with the lack of financial support in the Pot
> has distorted the whole Venture, hence why I was saying there is confusion.
> It isn't confusion in the true sense of the word but I think a few shots in
> own feet have taken place.
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> Keep it simple has been my message. I don't expect everyone to agree .....
> but ???                  Rajar shouldn't even be on the Radar, if that
> makes sense. The moment we start asking to be placed on Rajar, I think we
> are going away from our values. We're not here to compete, even though in a
> roundabout way we are. We have to compete because the financial support has
> been woeful ..... so is it a wonder why I reach for the defensive stick ??
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> If I'm wrong here, please say so, that's fine by me    no probs.
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> Nick
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> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [
> mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Two Lochs Radio
> *Sent:* 21 January 2015 18:39
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
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> Well done Paul!
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> From RAJAR's latest available quarter that reach would put your listener
> numbers ahead of at least 20 of the commercial stations that *are* RAJAR
> subscribers, including Smooth Radio Essex, and ahead of many more that
> don't pay RAJAR!
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> Alex
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> *RAJAR quarter ending Sep 2014*
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> *Station*
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> *Reach*
>
> Eagle Extra
>
> 3,000
>
> Fire Radio South Coast
>
> 4,000
>
> Connect DAB
>
> 7,000
>
> Radio Ceredigion
>
> 16,000
>
> 107.8 Arrow FM for Hastings
>
> 17,000
>
> 107 JACK fm (Reading 107FM)
>
> 18,000
>
> The Breeze (Cheltenham)
>
> 18,000
>
> 107.6 Banbury Sound
>
> 18,000
>
> Free Radio 80s (Shropshire)
>
> 19,000
>
> Rugby FM
>
> 20,000
>
> Lakeland Radio
>
> 20,000
>
> 107.5 Sovereign Radio
>
> 21,000
>
> 96.2 Touch FM - Coventry
>
> 22,000
>
> Time FM 106.6
>
> 23,000
>
> North Norfolk Radio
>
> 23,000
>
> Radio Exe
>
> 24,000
>
> Pulse 2
>
> 26,000
>
> 3FM
>
> 26,000
>
> Smooth Radio Essex
>
> 28,000
>
> Oak FM
>
> 28,000
>
> Smooth Radio Devon
>
> 29,000
>
> Cheshire's Silk 106.9
>
> 29,000
>
>
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>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Paul Golder <paul at pvg.co.uk>
>
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
> <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:01 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
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> I've contracted with a private market research firm a few times since we
> took to the airwaves full time in 2007.
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> We're currently getting a 20% weekly reach which implies about 30,000
> listeners a week.  Our website visitor figures (over 200,000 per month,
> with 12,000 a month viewing the schedule and local events pages) seem to
> make sense in this context.
>
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> I wasn't aware that RAJAR was skewed towards its members' areas, which
> would make any extrapolation of the "other radio listening" figure quite
> meaningless.
>
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> It's natural for CR to be defensive with the suggestion that CR has half a
> million listeners - but I'm just not buying it.  That's only an average of
> 2,000 per station - I could probably NAME at least 3,000 people who engage
> with us regularly!
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>
> Phoenix FM
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> www.phoenixfm.com
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