[cma-l] Community Radio Order

Alan Coote alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk
Wed Jan 21 13:33:03 GMT 2015 

Hi James,

 

I was working from memory on the 10 million (which I acknowledge is getting
worse the older I get) A report was produced by Ofcom on Community Radio.

 

I accept the RAJAR figures as more resent. Although the principle of making
any statistical sense of 'Other' is a bit like knowing how much Dark Matter
there is in the Universe - we know there some but no one knows how much.

 

The rest of the figures are available on the Web.    

 

Kind Regards

Alan

 

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of James Cridland
Sent: 21 January 2015 12:49
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order

 

> Given community radio reaches 10 million people a week

 

Do you have a source for this, Alan?

 

RAJAR's "other radio" line, which should contain all non-subscribers to
RAJAR, says 3.8m/week, of which community radio would be alongside pirate,
internet and "not radio but calls itself radio".

 

//j

 

 

 

 

On Wed Jan 21 2015 at 12:20:12 PM Phil Edmonds <lists at philedmonds.info>
wrote:

The main two points to summarise the many dozens of messages that have
been coming back and forth over past few days:

1 - To run a community radio station top of the list needs to be a paid
'Station Manager' of some description.

2 - Most community radio stations are so strapped for cash that this is
difficult to achieve. A significant majority have an hard time covering
'core costs' never mind any development work.


So what in my view what does "the announcement" need to address? All
links to my overarching issue "financing the sector".

1 - Licence renewal process.
We're now only months away from the "first batch" of stations current
licences expiring with no renewal process in place. What chance has any
one got of getting anywhere near a sustainable business plan if they
don't know if they'll still have a licence?


2 - Removal of on-air advertising restrictions for stations overlapping
small commercial radio stations.
The turnover of a community radio station is so small as to have no
meaningful impact on a "small commercial licence" holders business. A
decade down the road from the original ruling a commercial station's
real competitor on a local scale is Google and Facebook advertising. At
least a community radio station can help keep the money in the local
economy, not to some off-shore multi-national.


3 - Community Radio Fund.
Everyone thinks it's too small. If it's aim is to help towards core
costs or building sustainability in the sector it's clearly not working
as effectively as it could. Perhaps it would be better if a chunk of the
funds were just directed towards Ofcom to subsidise Community Radio
Ofcom licence fees? Even extending this to the music licensing bodies -
sector wide blanket licences at zero cost to stations sounds good.


4 - 50% advertising and sponsorship rule.
I'd propose that this isn't as pressing a worry as some think. A
diversity of funding sources I think helps protect the qualities of a
community radio station. Once you've claimed for volunteer time, it's
actually a 66% rule in 'cash terms' - and possibly an even higher
percentage if you've any support "in kind" you can claim for on your
Ofcom return.


Phil.



On 20/01/2015 20:28, Canalside's The Thread wrote:
> Here's a few Dom :- from Mr Wright in Bangingheadagainstwallshire
>
> 1)Why have successive Governments and Ministers pandered to commercial
> radio whilst neglecting community radio ?
>
> 2)Why have we still got restrictions after 12 years ?
>
> 3)Have the requests that we have been asking for the last 6 years been
> implemented ?
>
> 4)On Thursday will you be making a speech telling us everything we
> already know ? or are there serious beneficial changes for us      will
> bureaucracy and reporting be reduced ?
>
> 5)Do you think that some Community Radio Stations deserve a gold clock
> for managing to stay afloat whilst still achieving their key commitments
> ?  under the clouds of restrictions
>
> 6)Will there be a little more money going in the Community Radio Pot ?
> as we have gotten the same amount that was in 10 years ago with more
> Stations on-air
>
> 7)Re:- restrictions ... if they do stay in some way shape or form how
> come 4 major on-air Stations have had to operate with NO ON-AIR
> Advertising at all and by the way you are not allowed to use the small
> ILR argument or the less than 150,000 argument as neither are relevant
> and neither are true. The Stations are mainly part of bigger groups
> which lifts them above the 150,000 anyway
>
> 8)Are we to start limbering up ready for the announcement (ie:- putting
> our deep heat on) as in are we going to have nice little smiles on our
> faces afterwards or is it going to be a damp squib ?
>
> 9)Do you seriously think there will be a falling over of commercial
> Stations if restrictions are lifted ? because I don't.
>
> 10)How are things in the DCMS ?
>
> 11)Would you like a cup of tea and a Hob Knob ?
>
> 12)And finally . all the Stations who have done a wonderful job will
> they be given first bite of the cherry when / if extensions of licences
> are offered      which by the way I also think should be the case .. If
> not, could you tell us why we shouldn't then all pack up now and go home ?
>
> It's a good job I'm not interviewing him, we'd get to about number 5 and
> then he'd walk out after 10 minutes
>
> I think it sums things up to be honest when a Bill that has now turned
> up 4 years after it should have is now having only 15 minutes laid aside
> for discussion.
>
> All tongue in cheek of course .. Ed's a decent man I know, and Dom will
> do a good job
>
> And well done to all the Community Radio fraternity
>                         by the way Dom, do you know roughly what is in
> the Bill or not. The reason I ask is because you will have to have some
> idea so that you know what you are asking him ... if this is true, then
> my questions do not need to be asked as you will be on a '''positive'''
> footing ... if you do not know what is in the document, then sadly my
> questions are relevant and you good have an argument / debate situation
> on your hands. I like to think we have gone past that point now and that
> my questions are now consigned to the bin ... apart from the Hon Knob J
>
> Nick
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> The Community Radio Order is due to be published on Thursday this week.
> I will be interviewing  DCMS minister Ed Vaizey on Thursday morning.
> Time is limited to around 15 minutes for this. I will be conducting the
> interview on behalf of the CMA and welcome any questions you might like
> me to consider informing the interview. We will naturally focus on the
> content and implications of the CRO but this will be an opportunity to
> also ask about other areas of community media development.
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