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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi James,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was working from memory on the 10 million (which I acknowledge is getting worse the older I get) A report was produced by Ofcom on Community Radio.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I accept the RAJAR figures as more resent. Although the principle of making any statistical sense of ‘Other’ is a bit like knowing how much Dark Matter there is in the Universe – we know there some but no one knows how much.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The rest of the figures are available on the Web. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Cridland<br><b>Sent:</b> 21 January 2015 12:49<br><b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Given community radio reaches 10 million people a week</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Do you have a source for this, Alan?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>RAJAR's "other radio" line, which should contain all non-subscribers to RAJAR, says 3.8m/week, of which community radio would be alongside pirate, internet and "not radio but calls itself radio".</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>//j</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed Jan 21 2015 at 12:20:12 PM Phil Edmonds <<a href="mailto:lists@philedmonds.info">lists@philedmonds.info</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The main two points to summarise the many dozens of messages that have<br>been coming back and forth over past few days:<br><br>1 - To run a community radio station top of the list needs to be a paid<br>'Station Manager' of some description.<br><br>2 - Most community radio stations are so strapped for cash that this is<br>difficult to achieve. A significant majority have an hard time covering<br>'core costs' never mind any development work.<br><br><br>So what in my view what does "the announcement" need to address? All<br>links to my overarching issue "financing the sector".<br><br>1 - Licence renewal process.<br>We're now only months away from the "first batch" of stations current<br>licences expiring with no renewal process in place. What chance has any<br>one got of getting anywhere near a sustainable business plan if they<br>don't know if they'll still have a licence?<br><br><br>2 - Removal of on-air advertising restrictions for stations overlapping<br>small commercial radio stations.<br>The turnover of a community radio station is so small as to have no<br>meaningful impact on a "small commercial licence" holders business. A<br>decade down the road from the original ruling a commercial station's<br>real competitor on a local scale is Google and Facebook advertising. At<br>least a community radio station can help keep the money in the local<br>economy, not to some off-shore multi-national.<br><br><br>3 - Community Radio Fund.<br>Everyone thinks it's too small. If it's aim is to help towards core<br>costs or building sustainability in the sector it's clearly not working<br>as effectively as it could. Perhaps it would be better if a chunk of the<br>funds were just directed towards Ofcom to subsidise Community Radio<br>Ofcom licence fees? Even extending this to the music licensing bodies -<br>sector wide blanket licences at zero cost to stations sounds good.<br><br><br>4 - 50% advertising and sponsorship rule.<br>I'd propose that this isn't as pressing a worry as some think. A<br>diversity of funding sources I think helps protect the qualities of a<br>community radio station. Once you've claimed for volunteer time, it's<br>actually a 66% rule in 'cash terms' - and possibly an even higher<br>percentage if you've any support "in kind" you can claim for on your<br>Ofcom return.<br><br><br>Phil.<br><br><br><br>On 20/01/2015 20:28, Canalside's The Thread wrote:<br>> Here’s a few Dom :- from Mr Wright in Bangingheadagainstwallshire<br>><br>> 1)Why have successive Governments and Ministers pandered to commercial<br>> radio whilst neglecting community radio ?<br>><br>> 2)Why have we still got restrictions after 12 years ?<br>><br>> 3)Have the requests that we have been asking for the last 6 years been<br>> implemented ?<br>><br>> 4)On Thursday will you be making a speech telling us everything we<br>> already know ? or are there serious beneficial changes for us will<br>> bureaucracy and reporting be reduced ?<br>><br>> 5)Do you think that some Community Radio Stations deserve a gold clock<br>> for managing to stay afloat whilst still achieving their key commitments<br>> ? under the clouds of restrictions<br>><br>> 6)Will there be a little more money going in the Community Radio Pot ?<br>> as we have gotten the same amount that was in 10 years ago with more<br>> Stations on-air<br>><br>> 7)Re:- restrictions ….. if they do stay in some way shape or form how<br>> come 4 major on-air Stations have had to operate with NO ON-AIR<br>> Advertising at all and by the way you are not allowed to use the small<br>> ILR argument or the less than 150,000 argument as neither are relevant<br>> and neither are true. The Stations are mainly part of bigger groups<br>> which lifts them above the 150,000 anyway<br>><br>> 8)Are we to start limbering up ready for the announcement (ie:- putting<br>> our deep heat on) as in are we going to have nice little smiles on our<br>> faces afterwards or is it going to be a damp squib ?<br>><br>> 9)Do you seriously think there will be a falling over of commercial<br>> Stations if restrictions are lifted ? because I don’t.<br>><br>> 10)How are things in the DCMS ?<br>><br>> 11)Would you like a cup of tea and a Hob Knob ?<br>><br>> 12)And finally … all the Stations who have done a wonderful job will<br>> they be given first bite of the cherry when / if extensions of licences<br>> are offered which by the way I also think should be the case …. If<br>> not, could you tell us why we shouldn’t then all pack up now and go home ?<br>><br>> It’s a good job I’m not interviewing him, we’d get to about number 5 and<br>> then he’d walk out after 10 minutes<br>><br>> I think it sums things up to be honest when a Bill that has now turned<br>> up 4 years after it should have is now having only 15 minutes laid aside<br>> for discussion.<br>><br>> All tongue in cheek of course …. Ed’s a decent man I know, and Dom will<br>> do a good job<br>><br>> And well done to all the Community Radio fraternity<br>> by the way Dom, do you know roughly what is in<br>> the Bill or not. The reason I ask is because you will have to have some<br>> idea so that you know what you are asking him ….. if this is true, then<br>> my questions do not need to be asked as you will be on a ‘’’positive’’’<br>> footing ….. if you do not know what is in the document, then sadly my<br>> questions are relevant and you good have an argument / debate situation<br>> on your hands. I like to think we have gone past that point now and that<br>> my questions are now consigned to the bin ….. apart from the Hon Knob J<br>><br>> Nick<br>><br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> *From:*<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] *On Behalf Of *CMA-L<br>> *Sent:* 20 January 2015 17:34<br>> *To:* <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>> *Subject:* [cma-l] Community Radio Order<br>><br>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>> From: *Dom Chambers* <<a href="mailto:chair@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">chair@commedia.org.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:chair@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">chair@commedia.org.uk</a>>><br>><br>> TO CMA members,<br>><br>> The Community Radio Order is due to be published on Thursday this week.<br>> I will be interviewing DCMS minister Ed Vaizey on Thursday morning.<br>> Time is limited to around 15 minutes for this. I will be conducting the<br>> interview on behalf of the CMA and welcome any questions you might like<br>> me to consider informing the interview. We will naturally focus on the<br>> content and implications of the CRO but this will be an opportunity to<br>> also ask about other areas of community media development.<br>><br>> Best to all,<br>><br>> Dom 1<br>><br>> *Dom Chambers*<br>> *Chair*<br>><br>> *Mobile*: +44 (0) 7802 457 396<br>> *Direct Line*: +44 (0) 1761 568 004*<br>> CMA Office: *+44 (0) 1142 795 219<br>> *Email:* <a href="mailto:Chair@Commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">Chair@Commedia.org.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Chair@Commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">Chair@Commedia.org.uk</a>><br>> *Personal Twitter:* @TheDomChambers <<a href="http://twitter.com/thedomchambers" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/thedomchambers</a>><br>><br>> *cmalogo44mmURL*<br>><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <<a href="http://www.avast.com/" target="_blank">http://www.avast.com/</a>><br>><br>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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