[cma-l] imaging and the announcement

office office at fantasyradio.co.uk
Thu Jan 15 21:55:25 GMT 2015


I'm sure we're all looking forward to the 'announcement' and hoping for 
the best. The original model for community radio is now very outdated 
and the circumstances behind those early requirements are now very 
different. Add to that the fact that so many stations have failed must 
indicate the need for change if community radio is to survive. Fingers 
crossed.


NOW...I beg everyone not to go down the route of 'common imaging' for 
community radio. The beauty of community stations is that they are all 
different. I started my career in radio in *1974.* In those days it was 
a joy to listen to the new stations coming on air all sounding 
different, unique and original. Oh how I hated the joining together of 
stations up and down the country becoming more and more similar until it 
became all Heart and no soul. Please don't do it.

Phil Dawson
FANTASY RADIO 97FM
Devizes Mid Wiltshire




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>     1. Re:  Community Radio Order (Canalside's The Thread)
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> The announcement might be that he's buying us all an ice cream, and the
> 'other announcements' might be that we can have a flake in it as well. If
> the extra announcement becomes a further announcement making it plural, then
> we have announcements, and the last might be hundreds and thousands
> sprinkled on top ... We can all celebrate !
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> Er ?? sorry    I ain't getting excited and if changes are made I reckon they
> will be the obvious ones anyway . ie:- the ones that ought to have gone 10
> years ago.
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> When we entered the Community Radio Arena our glasses were half full, since
> riding on the merry-go-round of frustration we operate now with one glass
> half empty.
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> That's how we are at the minute . but alas, on a positive, never say never
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> Fingers crossed .. I do like a nice big Cornet   :-)
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> Nick
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> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Pippa at Curly
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> Sent: 15 January 2015 16:17
> To: shirleyludford at btinternet.co; The Community Media Association Discussion
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> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
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> Yes, indeed we have to wait for the outcome of the speech (and the mention
> of "other announcements" is intriguing), and then respond to it.
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> In the meantime are we doing everything we can to help eachother?  I'm
> surprised and saddened to see announcements about stations in trouble
> without any hint on this forum.
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> Marlow FM and Destiny105 in Oxford came to my rescue when our RSL was
> devastated by signal problems (uplink freq in a military zone - a story for
> another day).   Stations in East Anglia helped eachother with a mast problem
> recently.
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> If I can help by sharing some of what made Wycombe Sound's RSLs successful
> please just shout.   I know it's not a full time station but it's not for
> want of trying!!
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> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
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> As we wait with somewhat baited breath for Ed Vaizey's speech, I must say
> that, like Ian Hickling, I have found him approachable and responsive.  He
> visited the Radio Station for 2 hours, replies to my e-mails, sent messages
> via his team advising he would be making a speech during the week of 19th
> January when he also has "a couple of other announcements to make".
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> My continued requests for consideration and fairness for the Stations unable
> to help themselves more commercially on air were responded to and included
> an invitation to go to the House of Commons last August.
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> I received an encouraging e-mail from Ed after our Queens Award was
> delivered by HRH The Duke of Kent when he was also reminded of the struggle
> to keep funds coming in.   It is now, however, fingers crossed that an
> appropriate show of practical support will be made, enabling us and others
> in our position to be publicly valued and allow us some cushioning on the
> funding front.
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> We wont be predicting outcomes of the speech, but afterwards we'll be clear
> on where we stand and what, if any, further action is needed.
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> From: Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com>
> To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
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> Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2015, 7:56
> Subject: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
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> Don't be too hard on Ed Vaizey
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> I've found him to be concerned and quick to react
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> After a pointed e-mail he motivated a result with Ofcom on a problem that
> had been brewing for months.
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> The important point here is that if you submit a question to a Minister via
> your MP he has to respond in writing within 14 days.
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> Bear in mind that the question(s) should be polite, simple, short and to the
> point
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> If the response is inadequate - what do you do?
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> Throw up your hands in despair?
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> You write back and point out that he hasn't answered your question.
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> I agree wholeheartedly with Nick.
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> Having the word "no" continually thrown back at you without valid
> explanation is unacceptable in what we believe passes for a democracy.
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> Ian
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> From: office at thethread.org.uk
> To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk; chair at commedia.org.uk;
> bill.best at commedia.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:17:18 +0000
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
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> Dear All
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> I have been in liaison with our local MP David Rutley for the last 3 - 4
> months on a number of issues regarding Community Radio. He has passed my
> observations and thoughts onto Ed Vaizey. Thus far, I have received nothing
> back from Mr Vaizey. I did have a response from him about 2 years ago and I
> was grateful for that. But as I have pointed out before, the response was
> disappointing at best and worse still     1) Didn't actually answer either
> of the questions     and then    2) invented a question which he answered
> himself commenting on the money we received from the Community Radio Fund ..
> If you put my questions to his response I would argue that the first word
> that springs to mind with most people would be '''patronising'''
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> [ Bearing in mind of course that the fund is exactly the same now as it was
> 10 years ago and is now only able to give an apple and an orange and a
> tuppenny bit ]  it also still has people bidding against each other when in
> fact the key word in Community Radio is equality    (and opportunity)
> haves and have nots is NOT equality
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> When you say no to someone, there has to be a reason as to why. People
> constantly coming back telling me something I already know does not put
> things to bed.
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> The problem I find that we have had over the past 11 years or so (meaning
> all of us) is that we make observations, we represent ourselves well, we
> create a discussion with valid points and we back up those points with proof
> and good sound arguments and then receive answers that basically (as I have
> said) tell us what we already know and then take no action leaving the
> status quo.
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> I'm afraid it is that status quo that has had 'some' bearing on 'some'
> Stations keeling over. Ed Vaizey or whoever it has been over the past 10
> years   Mr Hunt etc etc are not Ministers for Commercial Radio, they are
> Ministers for all of us, and although this is opinion, I do think taking
> everything above into account AND the fact that this has rumbled on and on
> and on for years and years AND the fact that there are still 3 major
> Community Radio Stations in restriction bracket number one, it basically
> turns the whole thing into a Circus. The status quo is no longer acceptable,
> I for one am fed up of it. I'm also fed up of having to repeatedly write
> lengthy e-mails and you are all fed up of having to read them  :-)  LOL
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> I don't want to jump the gun, and I don't want to compromise anything and I
> am absolutely 100% positive that Bill and Dom fully understand the concerns
> and have battled like mad to get things done. Dom has been like Marco Polo
> travelling the globe to get opinions first hand and see for himself, he is
> fully clued up and has gotten stuck in there.
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> HOWEVER    and yes, there is an however. There must be a Plan B, as I sadly
> am not convinced (hopefully on this instance I will be proved completely
> wrong / let's hope hope hope so)       the Plan B has to be ACTION, NOT more
> lengthy meetings, not more going around the Trees over and over and over
> again. There fundamental things that must be done to ensure a safe and
> viable future for Community Radio.
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> 1) Restrictions gone !   or at least restrictions focusing on what we spend
> the money on and not how we obtain the money. This prevents the Stations
> going off at a tangent as back door commercial outfits
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> 2) Licences extended now, so that opportunists who we have never heard of
> before don't come encroaching on the success of the projects using it for
> their own means.
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> 3) Where there were hiccups in licensing, little tweaks can be made
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> 4) Community Radio Fund larger and everyone receives the same    ie:-   NO
> bidding process
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> Basically, having the word 'no' 'no' 'no' thrown at you without valid
> explanation is not acceptable.
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> To sum it up it is almost as if we have had GREY people hitting us between
> the eyes with BLACK & WHITE rulings                when what we actually
> need is :-
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> BLACK & WHITE concrete decision makers who can create GREY areas allowing
> room for manoeuvre & common sense.
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> Sadly, the powers that be have turned a simple straight forward project into
> a ball of confusion. A bit of fairness is what is needed.
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> Anyway, let's wait and see ... I'm hoping that my reaction is the same as
> when Rodney and Del Boy received the news in the auction about the Watch
> LOL
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> Finally, I hear what Ian is saying, but responding mustn't be in the form of
> a question, it needs to be in the form of a statement, telling them what we
> will be doing. It will deal with the situation once and for all, and
> in-house in our own fraternity it will show those who are willing to join
> together as a team / brotherhood / network and those who simply operate the
> ''I'm alright Jack policy''                always remember the divide and
> conquer . works a treat mateys, please don't let them do it.
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> I await a response, which possibly will ask   ''well what do we do''    I
> have a number of suggestions for starters.
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> Look at Ians statement .. He uses the word '''need'''     11/12/13 years
> down the line we are still using the word [need] as opposed to [want] or
> [would like] shows there has been a major ba--------------------------lls up
> as far as I am concerned.
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> Fingers crossed . I will be the first to thank and congratulate the people
> who make things better for Community Radio
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> Nick
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> From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
> Sent: 14 January 2015 16:02
> To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
> Subject: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
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> Thanks Dom
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> Can we be assured that if it isn't all we need it to be then the CMA will
> respond immediately on behalf of the Membership?
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> Ian
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> From: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:56:12 +0000
> To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> Subject: [cma-l] Community Radio Order Update from the CMA Chair
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> To CMA members,
> This is to let you know that The Department of Culture, Media and Sport
> (DCMS) contacted me this morning.
> We can expect a ministerial announcement from Ed Vaizey at the end of next
> week regarding the long awaited Community Radio Order.
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> We'll bring you more information when we have it.
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> Best to all,
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