[cma-l] 4ZZZ accounts (?)
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Wed Dec 9 15:09:27 GMT 2015
I'm following all of this with a big smile on my mug shot :-) LOL
I said all of this 10 years ago, 5 years ago, 2 years ago, 1 year ago .
maybe again next year and the year after and after and after that. It all
equates to that fabulous word ''debacle''
It's a debacle . and everyone has stood around and allowed the sector to be
bullied.
We're having the same discussions that we had 10 years ago ...OK, there's
been a few tweaks here and there, but it's just lip-service ... lip-service
that has taken so long to deliver even the Snails have given up the Ghost.
To be honest, I don't mind anything being a debacle or a shambles, as long
as we ain't the ones on the receiving end of the roughage.
Follow the other posts, the nitty gritty and crux of the matter is that most
of / nearly all of our woes are the faults of others. We haven't done
anything wrong except soldier on whilst being attacked from all sides
re:- The commercial giants do more or less as they like - and threaten
Ofcom if they don't get their own way.
Why otherwise would we have stupidly low powers for CR stations -
restriction on advertising - and some areas designated as "no go" because
there's a resident ILR that doesn't want competition.
Circus / Shambles / Debacle / Cock-up / Tail wagging the Dog / wrong ones
shouting the odds / spineless folk at the DCMS the list is endless
If I had been head at the DCMS and Minister and the Commercial Boys had come
mithering me back in 2002/03 I would have told them where to get off.
Community Radio and what we are trying to do has nothing to do with them,
nothing at all ...they have been allowed to poke their conks into other
peoples business and then make legislation out of it.
If they wish to run on a 25 watt transmitter, sell advertising over a 5 mile
radius, spend most of their time juggling figures around, applying for
grants, robbing Peter to pay Paul then they can of course come and join us.
I have only two words to say to them the last one is ''stuffed''
If we ever were to fall foul of the rules and regulations (and trust me,
when grants become none existent there's plenty who must be sailing close)
we would never go down without a scrap. The only saving grace in all of this
is that they have made us so resilient, so Dog with a Bone that we would be
hard to shift / shut down.
Like I say, if we muck something up ourselves, that's fine, but I'll be
damned if we are getting knobbled because of other peoples messes,
inabilities and inadequacies.
Soldier on chaps ---we're still here ''we shall not we shall
not be moved, we shall not, we shall not be moved, just like a team bla bla
bla'' LOL
David (of Goliath fame)
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[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
Sent: 08 December 2015 12:19
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: [cma-l] 4ZZZ accounts (?)
Oh - come on fellas - that's never going to happen - is it?
As long as we have the WTA and some form of BA, there's always going to be
regulation - and so there should be.
"Light touch"?
Depends on who's doing it and who's on the receiving end whether it's seen
as "light" or not.
CR stations get it slightly wrong with their KCs and get a whopping (for
them) fine.
The commercial giants do more or less as they like - and threaten Ofcom if
they don't get their own way.
Why otherwise would we have stupidly low powers for CR stations -
restriction on advertising - and some areas designated as "no go" because
there's a resident ILR that doesn't want competition.
It's all around you if you look.
The CMA isn't in a position to bid for spectrum - even if there were a
segment available.
The BBC isn't going to give up any of its heritage and random FM occupancy
voluntarily and I can't see Ofcom or any possible successor making it
happen.
So - the solution?
Radical changes to Regulation.
Details confidential at the moment - but the DCMS is at least listening.
Ian Hickling
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:52:44 +0000
From: info at a-bc.co.uk
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] 4ZZZ accounts
Thanks for that Tony. So just a mere 800watts ERP in the rural areas then!
Even though we'd like to think that way, I don't think 800w could work in UK
- far more densely populated than France. A more flexible approach up to
say 200w would be welcome though. Also consideration of some "light touch"
licences below 25w might be good too. Many rural villages would probably
only need 1watt - but that would only be viable with far less red-tape.
Glyn
On 8 December 2015 at 10:08, Tony Bailey <ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk>
wrote:
Just picked this up after returning from overseas:
I think Paris was something of a special case when they re-assigned the FM
band Glyn. A typical French FM community station in the sticks would have a
200 watt linear feeding a stack of four dipoles. In Paris they assigned all
50 channels to the National and commercial stations including a few
community slots which I think were all shared by the dozen or so
interest/ethnic/religious bodies. I don't remember there being any that did
not cover the whole city, hence the unusually high power. That was all many
years ago, but it was interesting to us because all the original local
French FM stations were pirates since only medium and long wave was then in
use generally.
Para 3 below: I've said this before: Radio Cracker!!
Channel allocations: Actually now may be the time for the CMA to bid for
this, if the authorities wish to devolve licensing? For special events
(JFMG) and radio amateurs (RSGB) are doing it already. It's not a
broadcasting issue since that would come under regulation, just radcoms.
Why don't we bid for a community radio sub band and let the BBC and ILR do
the rest?
Tony Bailey
On 05/11/15 12:34, Associated Broadcast Consultants wrote:
Interesting James (your insights - not the document that is a boring
financial statement).
I recall seeing somewhere that all the community stations in Paris are on
6kW from very high tower blocks. Alternative models for community radio
can and do work, even in Europe.
Personally I'd like to see a more flexible approach at both ends - ie:
accommodate larger "community of interest" stations, maybe with stronger
rules if needed and at other end of the scale also some smaller
neighbourhood stations - say 1-5 watts with bare minimum light-touch
regulation that prevents interference concerns Maybe allocate a single
channel to be used anywhere in the country, with no guarantees of coverage
quality similar to WiFi unlicensed approach. Or something else that
embraces alternative approaches that others on this forum have alluded to
rather than the current rather quaint, paternalistic approach.
IMHO
Glyn
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