[cma-l] Extending Community Radio on FM

Ian Hickling transplanfm at hotmail.com
Mon Sep 29 12:36:48 BST 2014


BobThat's a wonderful tongue-in-cheek assessment - thank you.Can I print and frame it?The band concerned is still correctly termed VHF Band II - "FM" is only the delivery method as we all know - technologically there is no "FM Band".Roof-top aerials are by no means redundant by the way - they're necessary for satisfactory reception on fixed domestic and commercial equipment.Are you seriously suggesting that there is a "beauty contest" for the selection of successful Community Radio Licensees?I trust you can produce evidence?And is your parting shot:"The reality is that the only policy is to switch to DAB so any FM debate is a waste of time." your own view - or perceived Government policy?Either way - sorry - no - it doesn't help.

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:09:00 +0100
From: bobtyler at btinternet.com
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk; ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Extending Community Radio on FM

Tony It is my understanding that the British specification for
the FM (then VHF) band was established before the Second World War. At the
time it was considered that only the two BBC services would be on VHF. I
believe that the specifications laid down are still current and are based on
roof top aerials, as it was considered that to receive VHF such an aerial would
be required.  Also for some reason, we in the UK also decided to
employ  extra separation/guarding, in
order to prevent ANY possibility of  the
Home Service Bedford transmitter interfering with the Home Service Dover transmitter or Crewe Relay. In other words, we have more space between services
than any other country in Europe. In many respects we have the perfect VHF/FM
transmitter network. Of course then, it was not expected that the reception of
radio would extend to telescopic aerials or tiny coil antenna, thereby making
the roof top aerial redundant. Nor even then, was the prospect of commercial or
community radio in the future mix. As a side issue, a few commercial stations and many
community radio station are in allocated BBC spectrum at the behest of Dear Old
Aunty.  The mystery of so called ‘expertise’ in planning the VHF/FM
spectrum has remained in the hand of the regulators. I do remember asking my MP
sometime in the 70’s  to lodge a written
question about an available frequency to The Home Secretary, only to receive
the reply that 101 point something was ‘used to track otters” .  I did have it confirmed that 102.2 was assigned wrongly and
should have been able to accommodate several UK allocations but apparently the
spectrum had been badly assigned at a too high a power in the East of England, (flat
terrain)  thereby rendering the space
sterile for a large part of the country.  In summary there are many issues (and many question)
surrounding spectrum allocation and the regulator of the day always hold the
mystery ticket. The ‘beauty contest’ of selecting future licence holders
compounds the decision process. The reality is that the only policy is to
switch to DAB so any FM debate is a waste of time.  Hope this helps Bob




















































         From: Tony Bailey <ravensound at pilgrimsound.co.uk>
 To: The Community Media Association Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk> 
 Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 10:01
 Subject: Re: [cma-l] Extending Community Radio on FM
   

  

    
  
  
    If we are talking about ITU-R BS 412-9
      Planning Standards for Terrestrial FM sound broadcasting at VHF,
      it dates from 12/1998 and incidentally, is a Recommendation.  Of
      course, we aren't far enough away from other countries to not
      follow it.  To take up an earlier point, the recent statements
      about VHF no-go areas clearly needs to be challenged.  For
      example, Central Bedfordshire which is basically Bedford county
      minus Luton and Bedford.  Apart from the fact that it is a very
      irregular area, it is some 30 km wide, well beyond the range of
      the 5 km standard.  From information available online, there are a
      number of channel groups around 15 db/uV (60-45) in Biggleswade,
      which is a relatively "hot" location.  One wonders what "rules"
      are being applied to generate these blanket exclusions.

      

      Regards,  Tony Bailey

      

      On 27/09/14 17:18, Ian Hickling wrote:

    
    
      
      
        
          Alan - I don't recognise most of the scenario
            you describe here as being the UK Regulation system that
            we're working in today.
          Protection Ratios set up by IBA and RA were
            adopted by the ITU 50 years ago and are unlikely to change?

            Not really indicative of any positive progress then.
          In my experience Ofcom doesn't do much on an
            "ad hoc" basis - quite the opposite.
          Commercial operators and indeed all licensed
            broadcasters are more than adequately protected in technical
            terms and all expect signal corruption on occasions when
            it's caused by unavoidable atmospheric conditions.
          Enhancement of coverage by any broadcaster is
            not easy - and is approached by Ofcom on a low-priority and
            individual merit basis - unless of course pressure is
            brought to bear.
          I would think we can all quote examples of that
            apparently happening.
          Commercial stations had power and frequency
            allocated in exactly the same was as is used for Community
            Radio - desired coverage against regional spectral
            occupancy.
          Standalone or mini-mux DAB is a long way off
            and should not be offered as an excuse for not dealing with
            the present and very real need for a seed-change in spectrum
            manipulation for best efficiency.
          There are scores of local stations out there
            which are ready to go on air and around half of them will be
            refused for what appear to be insecure and what we are told
            are incontestable reasons.
          This is not the form of Democracy that we
            should expect from a UK Government and its Agencies.
          

            
              From: alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk

              To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk; info at a-bc.co.uk

              Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:06:28 +0100

              Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio on AM

              

              
              
                The
                      FM protection ratios were set up using a specs’
                      based on the selectivity and sensitivity of radios
                      in the 60s. The IBA, Radio Authority and Ofcom
                      planned licences based on their analysis of
                      available frequencies using this spec’. It became
                      an ITU standard so is very unlikely to change.
                          
                 
                Fitting
                    new stations on an ad-hoc basis has the danger of
                    commercial operators being disadvantaged through
                    interference, however occasional. 
                 
                Picking
                    up Nick’s point about Silk FM getting more power,
                    this has happened numerous times around the UK. It’s
                    because commercial stations are licenced to use a
                    preallocated and cleared frequency by Ofcom. Should
                    a licenced station make a case that either Ofcom’s
                    analysis was wrong, or over time the area has
                    changed, then Ofcom will need to reflect that by
                    permitting changes to the coverage.
                 
                This
                    is of course a totally different scenario from the
                    way community stations start life.   
                 
                At
                    the end of the day Ofcom is full of people whose job
                    it is to run things by the rules. There is
                    absolutely no advantage to them doing otherwise. 
                 
                In
                    my view a better baton to wave is for access to DAB
                    via standalone stations – here the rules aren’t even
                    set.                
                 
                
                  Kind
                      Regards
                  Alan
                   
                   
                   
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