[cma-l] PRS fees

Sun Sep 25 11:36:03 BST 2011

Nick,

It's civil law so there's nothing wrong with your original "club 
together" proposal, I believe that is what the ILRs did do.  You might 
find it cheaper not to bother, as the costs of actioning it might exceed 
the benefit, as Gerald Nabarro used to say "you can get justice if you 
can afford to pay for it"

Regards, Tony

Office - ccr-fm wrote:
> Tony n' all
> 
> This is exactly the point I am making ....... there are lots of 'things
> goin' on around the world'  that 'get away with it' because some clever,
> devious, clued up person (whatever?)    had the forethought to wangle
> something and get it backed up by money men and law makers, who in the main
> all pee in the same pot !
> 
> I am fully aware that it is backed up by the so called law ... but in my
> opinion it is wrong. I bet you can think of classic examples where the law
> says one thing but morals are completely different.
> 
> It was the Law many years ago that women didn't get a vote, it was the law
> in some Countries that black people couldn't sit on a bus next to a white
> man, it was the law many moons ago to send youngsters down mines and up
> chimneys .........    quite a number of laws are not changed because of the
> will of Politicians and money men            the exact opposite actually,
> they were changed because the normal layman chap on the street said ...
> ''hang on a mo' this ain't right, we've had enough of this codswallop''  
>           
> sadly, they had to roll their sleeves up and get in the boxing ring to
> change things.
> 
> That is all I am saying .....    the PRS      oh and the waste surface water
> charges by United Utilities are a couple of classic MONEY-MAKING-RACKETS
> backed up by the law.
> 
> It is a load of twoddle !   and really gets my gander up !        they
> should be paying us !
> 
> Regards
> 
> Nick
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Bailey [mailto:studio at ravensoundradio.co.uk] 
> Sent: 23 September 2011 15:44
> To: Office - ccr-fm
> Cc: ian at transplan.uk.com; 'CMA-L'
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] PRS fees
> 
> Probably because most people see that the collection of royalties is 
> supported in law and there is no possibility of that changing, in fact 
> it is soon to become more onerous as what the popular press call the 
> "cliff richard law" will add another 20 years to recording copyright.
> 
> Regards,  Tony Bailey
> 
> Office - ccr-fm wrote:
>> I seem to recall writing an e-mail like this word for word 3 years ago, 
>> then again 2 years ago and then again earlier this year. There wasn't a 
>> lot of reaction because I think a lot of people like to keep their heads 
>> down.
>>
>>  
>>
>> At least Ian agrees and good on him ..... read my last post ... It's a 
>> money making racket ... Everyone should club together and tell them to 
>> get stuffed !
>>
>>  
>>
>> We are not making money out of Elton John, we are helping him make 
>> money. No one should be paying anyone. And if you want to make the 
>> argument about the song writer, then Mr Dwight should pay them ... Not us.
>>
>>  
>>
>> It's a joke !
>>
>>  
>>
>> Opinion still the same
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>  
>>
>> Nick    L
>>
>>  
>>
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>>
>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk 
>> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ian Hickling
>> *Sent:* 23 September 2011 12:31
>> *To:* ed at resonancefm.com; cma-l
>> *Subject:* [cma-l] PRS fees
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Shouldn't we step back for a moment and look at the situation objectively?
>> If you buy a Ford, you don't pay Ford every time you drive it.
>> If you visit a museum, you don't pay the van Dyck Foundation every time 
>> you look at one of his paintings.
>> When you read a Jeffrey Archer novel you don't have to pay him for the 
>> privilege each time.
>> I don't get a payment for the amount of use one of my transmitters has 
>> when it's hired out.
>> So why should Elton John for instance get paid every time you play one 
>> of his tracks?
>> And the middle-men rake off a profit for collecting it?
>> No - sorry - the whole thing stinks.
>> I'm all for musicians and artists to get a fair payment for what they do 
>> - but if they're not there and they're doing nothing to earn - why do 
>> they think we should pay them?
>> PRS for Music and PPL are not transparent and I really don't believe 
>> they are in it for anything more than their own profit.
>> Added to that, the way they randomly and unilaterally charge has no 
>> logic and seriously penalises the small user.
>> If we are to pay, let it be a Statutory Licence Fee to Ofcom and let it 
>> be directly proportional to the number of listener music hours that each 
>> of us provides.
>>  
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> *Ian Hickling
>> **Partner
>> transplan UK*
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>  Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:33:54 +0100
>>>  From: ed at resonancefm.com
>>>  To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
>>>  Subject: [cma-l] PRS fees
>>>
>>>  Dear all,
>>>  The PRS suggests community stations "choose up to three commercial
>>>  radio stations that your playlist is similar to" with a view to them
>>>  allocating money to composers featured on said stations. I wonder
>>>  where this idea orginated. Might it not be apposite that the fees
>>>  community stations pay to the PRS are allocated to the PRS for Music
>>>  Foundation, which as a charity and an innovative supporter of new
>>>  music shares many of the aims and aspirations of community media
>>>  platforms.
>>>  None of the commercial stations play anything like the music that
>>>  Resonance plays. Nor do we have "playlists". We favour music not
>>>  represented by any other stations in the UK. It is important to us
>>>  that PRS fees are going to the correct kind of songwriters and
>>>  composers. I see no relevance or point in sharing them among the kind
>>>  of nostalgic MOR artistes and the ragbag purveyors of reactionary
>>>  claptrap generally favoured by UK commercial stations.
>>>  I suspect this will elicit a groan among the people at PRS, who like
>>>  everyone else surely want an easy life, but wonder what others in CMA
>>>  think.
>>>  Yours
>>>  Ed
>>>  --
>>>  Nominee, Sony Radio Academy Awards 2010 "Station Programmer of the Year"
>>>  Runner-up, PRSF New Music Award 2008
>>>  As featured in the Independent on Sunday's Happy List
>>>  Ed Baxter
>>>  programming director
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