[cma-l] does anyone know ?

Fri Feb 25 16:22:12 GMT 2011

Hi Nick

Many thanks for your reply.

Regarding what you say below about Canalside's running costs, PRS for
Music defines Net Broadcasting Revenue as:

"The definition of Net Broadcasting Revenue is 85% of the gross value
whether in money, or money's worth received by the Licensee from
broadcasts pursuant to this Licence including, advertising
sponsorship, subscriptions, donations, barter and contra deals, and
other revenue directly related to the programmes broadcast."

Link: http://www.prsformusic.com/users/broadcastandonline/Radio/Pages/NetBroadcastingRevenue.aspx

So, in a nutshell, grants that Canalside receives for delivering
training and so on are exempt from being counted as Net Broadcasting
Revenue (NBR).  As long as Canalside's NBR (from advertising,
sponsorship etc) is below £21,200 - which it is for most community
radio stations - then the minimum non-returnable fee is £636 plus VAT.

If you, or any other station, requires further assistance with this or
any other licensing fees then just get in touch with me directly
please.

With best regards

Bill
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On 25 February 2011 14:49, Office - ccr-fm <office at ccr-fm.co.uk> wrote:
> Bill
>
> As always this does help ......... a precise and exemplary reply ...... it
> does however all look pretty obvious to me ......... someone somewhere has
> tried to nail our hats on again with this MCPS charge ...... (a 100% rise !)
> I can almost see the departments sat round the dining table toasting their
> bottle of plonk in the air (secret handshake)(nudge nudge wink wink)
> then of course the CMA come along and say   ''hold your horses''
>
> How we've managed to go from 600 odd quid down to 180 odd quid beats me ...
> but nonetheless we have. Someone has seen some common sense at last.
>
> It confirms my belief though once again, that this lot is nothing more and
> nothing less than a money making racket ....... daylight robbery ..... Dick
> Turpin on the airwaves.
>
> The MCPS has actually got nothing to do with what I am talking about and it
> is to do with the bog standard charge for PRS ....... was this negotiated or
> not ??    if it was, then why do we have to go through this form filling in
> process ...... none of it making any sense to the layman on the street.
>
> Actually it does make sense and it is very clear to me ........ IF WE TAKE
> £65,000 PER-ANNUM INTO OUR ACCOUNT AND SPEND £64,000 ON RUNNING OUR PROJECT,
> MEANING THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE ARE LEFT WITH £1,000 (NOT-FOR-PROFIT)
> THEY, (THE PRS) WANT A PERCENTAGE OF THE £65,000 up and above £21,000
> ........... THAT'S IT BASICALLY .......... AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THEY
> CAN SWING FOR IT ...... WE NEGOTIATED £700    THAT'S IT !
>
> If you take the £700 and do a % division on what we actually are left with
> every year, they end up with 70% of what we are doing ........... are they
> avin' a giraffe !
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Bill Best
> Sent: 25 February 2011 13:11
> To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] does anyone know ?
>
> Hi Nick
>
> Thanks for your email.
>
> Not quite sure what you are on about here but I'm guessing it is the
> recent introduction of the mechanical rights licence (MCPS) at a flat
> fee of £182.48 (plus VAT) for the period 1st October 2010 – 30th
> September 2011.
>
> The situation was that up until this current licensing period, PRS for
> Music did not have a scheme in place to cover the mechanical rights
> licence. All previous licences from PRS for Music included the
> following wording regarding the MCPS licence:
>
> "Your details will be held on file, and contact will be made once PRS
> for Music is in a position to issue the licence. For budgeting please
> allow the same minimum fee as PRS for Music, £607 plus VAT per licence
> year."
>
> The CMA received news that PRS for Music was considering plans to
> introduce a charge for the MCPS licence at a cost of up to the same
> amount for the Performing Rights Licence (PRS) which is £636 for 1st
> October 2010 – 30th September 2011 - effectively a 100% increase in
> licence fees for community radio stations.
>
> The CMA vigorously argued against this 100% increase in the licence
> fee for community radio stations and PRS for Music conceded to charge
> a fee of £182.48 plus VAT for MCPS.
>
> The CMA will continue to argue for fair treatment of non-for-profit
> community radio stations with regard to the licensing fees. For
> example, only this week I attended a meeting of the Community Sector
> Law Monitoring Group to discuss how copyright law is applied to our
> sector and the CMA is still seeking further legal opinion to ensure
> that community radio stations are treated fairly in comparison to
> other voluntary and community sector organisations.
>
> Hope that helps and best regards
>
> Bill
> --
> Community Media Association
> http://www.commedia.org.uk/
> http://twitter.com/community_media
> Facebook Fans: http://bit.ly/cog8n5
>
> Canstream Internet Radio & Video
> http://www.canstream.co.uk/
>
> On 25 February 2011 11:33, Office - ccr-fm <office at ccr-fm.co.uk> wrote:
>> Dear All
>>
>> As it now seems to be ‘’’kicking off’’’ on yet another front ……… (PRS)
>> could someone (preferably from the CMA) (Jaqui / Bill ??)    enlighten me
> as
>> to what was actually negotiated with the PRS …..
>> ?                            I was on the understand it was a bogged
>> standard rate agreed by all parties.
>>
>> On the bureaucratic front would it not be sensible and easier for all
>> concerned to simply be invoiced for the ‘agreed’ amount …… return the
>> invoice with a signature and a cheque.
>>
>> Has something been agreed or has it not been agreed ??
> or
>> …………… was it negotiated with an option left in small print for the Ivory
>> Towers troop to move the goalposts, as this is how it appears to me.
>>
>> I’m just trying to establish what we are meant to be paying as a none
>> business, not-for-profit group ?     ( we could be very soon a charity as
>> well.)          The payments for the PRS are related to music used for our
>> broadcasting              I think
>> ?????????                                             so, I ask the
> question
>> again …. Has anyone paid above the £700 ?        How much ?      and Why ?
>>
>> As a fraturnity and brotherhood can we also stop hiding in the trench
>> waiting for others to fire the bullets and get a bad name for themselves
>> …………… ie:-   moi’   !            All I am attempting to do is to fight for
> a
>> fair and simple system for everyone so that everyone is charged and pays
>> their dues according to ability to pay. In fact I could go one further on
>> this topic and ask why the CMA hasn’t negotiated a special rate for those
> 16
>> stations who are already struggling for funding regarding the adverts on
> air
>> / sponsorship debacle as we appear to be getting ‘crapped on’ from all
>> angles …………………………. We are not allowed to earn the money but have to fork
> out
>> the same as everyone else …………… one rule for one and different rules for
>> others.
>>
>> Well I ain’t certainly rolling over and dieing ……     I’ll stand up and be
>> counted. Once it is all put to bed maybe I will be able to join in the
>> message board comminications on a positive note as opposed to negative
> angst
>> all the time ……………….. not caused by me by the way.
>>
>> Nick